teezy420

You guys might like to hear this. I just sold my 1997 Camaro Z28 and finally bought what I've always wanted, a Honda del Sol. Now it's time to make it faster than the Z28 was. Since it's a 1993 Si with the sohc engine i figured the first thing i should do is do an engine and trans swap. So, I started searching the web for reputable JDM motor shops. I found one that seems to be, totaljdm.com. Anyway the engine that most impressed me that they sell was the Prelude H22A Type S. Here's what it comes with bedides the motor:

Items Included with the Swap:
5-Speed Manual Hydraulic Transmission
Engine Control Unit (ECU)
Wiring Harness
Distributor
Intake Manifold
Exhaust Manifold
Alternator
Air Conditioning Pump
Power Steering Pump
Vtec Solenoid
Half Shaft (Intermediate Shaft)

Available Options (if in-stock):
Shift Linkage: $70.00USD

Now I know I'd need mounts soI found those at hasport.com , I figured since they made the mounts this swap is definately possible. But just how difficult? This is my first experience with an import and I know nothing about working on cars, so I'm gonna have a shop do this swap when the time comes. So, can anyone please tell me if this swap is feasible? Would I need any other parts for the swap into a 93 del Sol si besides what's included in the package? Would the prelude transmission fit in the del Sol? Would any custom fabrication be necessary? Please any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom

asmallsol

Just the H22 swap will probally not be enough to be faster then your z28. Personally, the h22 is not the best engine to put in there. Search for a post by IBspec or Importbuilders about h22/h23. He is one of the best honda builders in the country, and he will not even touch h22's.

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pills_PMD

what did the z28 run?? and was it an auto or a stick...

colin, on gratiot...errr.. at the drag strip .. last season i beat some kid in an auto z28 and he was absolutely amazed..

asmallsol

was that with the b16 or after the LSVTEC swap? What style was it?


<----Ran a 14.9 at martan dragway (martan is faster then milan)

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H22AdelSol

but its the fastest. Oh and since ImportBuilders doesnt like them then that means they are shit motors and honda doesnt know what they are doing when they design a motor. Maybe they dont like the motor because the internals arent as strong for FI. You stick with your little b16's and well go with our heavy ass h22's that are in reality not much quicker than a b16. Go put a b16 in a prelude and tell me thats just about as quick as the h22

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MikeBergy

preludes are slow as crap. They have way nicer lines than the rest of the hondacars though. Nicest looking hondas period. I like the 97-up preludes even more than my acura. And its not that h22's are bad motors, it's just the trannies they come with are probably the worst shifting trannies honda ever came out with. They were designed for middle aged wankers that are used to driving their v6 accords. In fact, the reason preludes aren't sold anymore is because the accord coupe was aimed at the same demographic as the prelude, and the accord sold more. preludes stopped selling after the accord coupe (97-up I think also) came out with a v6.

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H22AdelSol

I always wondered how the v6 engine stood next to the other honda engines. I bet it prolly puts out decent amount of hp but is it super super heavy ?

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92b16vx

The first part of this makes no sence, and the second part is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever heard.

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pills_PMD

colin,

i ran a 14.3 @ 99.98 at martin.. it was with the lsvtec when i did the gratiot thing.. i cant specifically recall what year it was because i dont know a whole lot about them..

my favorite martin story ever is whooping the shit out of some kid in a purple mustang with all of his friends there.. they were all talking all kinda of shit... he ran a 14.7 to my 14.3 it was great. shut those hillbillies up

H22AdelSol

look


Yeah your right IBspec wont touch H22's asmallsol...

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H22AdelSol

The first part of this makes no sence, and the second part is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever heard. [/b][/quote]
Yeah it is pretty damn retarded, i hear this shit all day long, go put turbo on b16 and itll be faster than h22, well go put turbo on h22 and then tell me what youve got... All you fanboys can say what you want but track times proove it. No im not an h series fanboy, there huge, heavy and the oil pan sits to low. Performance over convienence.

nvrmind this is stupid i dont even give a shit anymore about what uninformed ppl say.

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sleepn_accord

Tom,

Do as you wish. H22's are truly tempermental motors. They're not unreliable. But they are expensive to work on. If built right the h22 is fast as hell. The tranny configuration does leave something to be desired. (It uses cables for it's shift linkage).

The h22 is heavy though. While in a del sol it isn't that bad (because the del sol is a heavier chasis than most civics), it is heavy, just keep this in mind when configuring your suspension.

My auto-lsd h22 (with 1.8" stock accord exhaust) runs low-14's. That's it. No aftermarket parts..except for the ghetto intake and dc header (only used because I lost my JDM downpipe).

It will cost you a little more to get the h22 in your sol.

Personally I would just get a b-series and build it. Again, it's realtively cheap to fully build a b-series.

I think it's b.s. that people say h22's are unrealible blah..blah..blah . Those people just don't know what the fuck they're doing.

asmallsol

Did you even read that thread? He is just doing that for himself, then he goes on to list 11 reasons off the top of his head why he won't, and the major downsides to the h-series.

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Havok

Yeah it is pretty damn retarded, i hear this shit all day long, go put turbo on b16 and itll be faster than h22, well go put turbo on h22 and then tell me what youve got... All you fanboys can say what you want but track times proove it. No im not an h series fanboy, there huge, heavy and the oil pan sits to low. Performance over convienence.

nvrmind this is stupid i dont even give a shit anymore about what uninformed ppl say. [/b][/quote]
Come back when you have a legitimate argument, instead of pulling shit out of your ass from what your ricer friends have said on Friday nights.

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teezy420

Thanks for the help sleepn accord. I'm not sure if this is what you meant or not, but totaljdm claims the h22 setup i was lookin at comes with a hydraulic trans. heres the link, let me know.

Total JDM H22A Type S

92b16vx

Hydraulic tranny is the system that the car uses to actuate the clutch, the older Civics had cable actuated trannies. By cable, in this case, they mean the shiftlinkage. The H22A uses two cables to shift gears, while the Civic/Integras use two rods.

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MikeBergy

Actually, the b-series uses one rod, and a stabilizer bar that runs parallel to keep the tranny from moving around in relation to the shifter. If you want to be technical anyway.

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92b16vx

Actually, the b-series uses one rod, and a stabilizer bar that runs parallel to keep the tranny from moving around in relation to the shifter. If you want to be technical anyway. [/b][/quote]
Well, if we are getting technical, try using the shiftlinkage without the torque rod, not very useful huh? So yes, technically, they do use two rods to shift gears.

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teezy420

I'm not saying I'm not going with the H22A, but seems most of you guys don't like that idea. So how do you feel about an F20B going into the del Sol?

Havok

Even worse.

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hdel2sol2

kinda late but if you dont like this swap than you havent drivin an h22 del sol pure speen never stops not to dis anyone bc i know all honda engines are full of potential but from experience you cant match the insanity of an h22s top end itll throw you back punching the gas at 3500 rpms in 4th gear crazy engines but im not taking sides if you got the money do this trust me

hdel2sol2

oh and speaking of camaro's well a local guy i think its a 98 but its a lt1 camaro with heads and cam and many other mods with 430 hp my car is a 95 del sol h22 turbo its stock engine on 8 psi when he hit 100 i was at 120 i pulled ahead at about 120 feet find another honda engine that can do that only on 8psi and stock engine

hdel2sol2

this swap is scary it doesnt seem like it should be street legal a turbod b16 vs stock h22 is a good damn race when they are both in eg chasis of coarse its not going to be as quick as everyone says when its in a prelude the prelude weighs 600 to 800 more pounds than a del sol ive done this swap take my word

92b16vx

Triple posting in a four year old thread is bad joojoo, and I hear it gives you atheletes foot.

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