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92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 01:16 PM

i m not really interested in drag racing but was wondering what swap would work better for auto x for my cx..... better yet what kind of motor set works best for it.... i m interested in a gsr swap but but wondering if thats the best swap/set up for the job

lsvtec · 10-21-2002, 02:11 PM

NA or small turbo is going to be your best bet. I'd say the GSR is a great swap for AutoX, just be prepared to be owned by the guys that have been running modified cars forever and have more mony to put into their cars than you. (Unless you are one of those guys)

E_SolSi · 10-21-2002, 02:13 PM

the GSR swap will work well for auto X... it has good midrange power for comming out of turns ... the Type R would be good as well because of the closer gearing allowing you to stay in high RPMs .... other than those id say the B20 with a GSR or Type R tranny would be good it has more torque and if you were to throw a B16 head on that and do some work to it ... that would probly be the best setup

E_SolSi · 10-21-2002, 02:19 PM

as far as autoX goes though ... you will see larger gains from high quality suspension and brake upgrades than power upgrades ... that and put some serious thought into attending a drivers Ed for auto X

stpracer · 10-21-2002, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by E_SolSi@Oct 21 2002, 02:19 PM
as far as autoX goes though ... you will see larger gains from high quality suspension and brake upgrades than power upgrades ... that and put some serious thought into attending a drivers Ed for auto X

this is the ultimate answer to autox - slow cars with a good suspension and a good driver will win every time over hp.

Calesta · 10-21-2002, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by stpracer+Oct 21 2002, 01:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stpracer @ Oct 21 2002, 01:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-E_SolSi@Oct 21 2002, 02:19 PM
as far as autoX goes though ... you will see larger gains from high quality suspension and brake upgrades than power upgrades ... that and put some serious thought into attending a drivers Ed for auto X

this is the ultimate answer to autox - slow cars with a good suspension and a good driver will win every time over hp.[/b][/quote]
Plus no engine work will keep you in an easier class, so you'll be able to place higher and win more often. Check your local auto-x rules to see what class you want to be in, then plan your mods accordingly.

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 05:23 PM

i would have to drive three hours to do it but will find out. i was thinking of going with itr tranny for for better gearing but i was wondering what motor would work best but affordable still

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 06:13 PM

if you do an engine swap it boost you up so high, youll be racing much faster cars. I think that in street modifiyed you can have a swap but i am not sure.

Everyone is right when they say the slow car with a good driver wins. The autoX i went to, this old 80's VW GTI in the stock class was pulling better times than alot of the cammaros and Mustangs. That driver rocked, he three wheeled it on almost every turn.

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 06:34 PM

yeah but my car is slow as hell! i have a cx..... if i had a dx or a si i would leave it alone but i dont so i m fucked. i m ordering h&r cup kit for suspension with energy suspension urethane bushing and shunk2 front strut bar lower rear tie bar. the drop is 2 inches up and i think 1.75 in the rear... i m not worring about camber cuz i was remembering that a little camber is good 4 auto x i heard once here.

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 07:00 PM

hey tell me how the urethane bushings are once you get them on, i am planning on doing basicly the same setup but i am going with progressive springs (bit softer) Some one told me that those bushings are a bitch to put on. Anyone here know for sure?

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 07:10 PM

i m worried about them too.... i can tell yeah i dont want to pay anyone to do it :P

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 07:14 PM

That is the thing that i am afraid off with my car is the suspention, swap i think i will be able to handle but the suspention seams like it is going to be hard. I want to build my car for autoX too, not straitlining

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 07:19 PM

i still want to be able to beat someone in a drag tho but i really like driving thru turns and what not.

where can i find info about auto X in my state... i live in minnesota and heard there is some in st cloud mn but i live in mankato and i never heard about it in my area

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 07:25 PM

Myautoevents.com they should have stuff about your region
the only thing is most autoX things are done untill spring

E_SolSi · 10-21-2002, 07:29 PM

go to SCCA.org .... thats your best place to start looking for info on autocross .... its under te heading "solo II"... there may be links to clubs in your area

also i found this http://www.mnautox.com/openbb/ you should find info there

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 07:32 PM

for auto X whats more important... torque or horse power?

is it better to have a motor with vtec or with out?

92CivicCx · 10-21-2002, 07:49 PM

thanks for the help.... my car should be done well before spring

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 07:54 PM

i am still kind of a rookie but i am going to have to say tourqe. Tourqe is what helps you pull through the courners. If you are going na then vtec, if turbo than go without.

When you autoX you bearly ever shift, (basicly 1st then 2nd for most of the race, 3rd if you are a good driver and can get speed and back down to first if your syncros work (mine dont so i just kept it in second.)

E_SolSi · 10-21-2002, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 92CivicCx@Oct 21 2002, 07:32 PM
for auto X whats more important... torque or horse power?

is it better to have a motor with vtec or with out?

id say go with VTEC ... it lets you drag the gear out further ( not as much shifting once your up in your power range )...keep yur RPMs high with good shifting and youll be fine... learn heel toe braking and youll hit the corners smoother ( with higher speed )... as far as whats more important, neither really is ... its all about braking for the corner later and making the corners as fast as possible and following "the line" ...
get the book "Going Faster Mastering the Art of Race Driving" that is probly the best book for learning technique ... and i still say take a drivers Ed

pissedoffsol · 10-21-2002, 08:18 PM

the best swap for autox? none.

bone stock makes you the most competive.

IF I were to build an auto X'er... it would be a 91 crx si, bone stock with 14" racing slicks. thats it.

when you add swaps and mods- it puts you in a class with porsches and shit- so keep that in mind.

asmallsol · 10-21-2002, 08:22 PM

pretty much the only thing that you can do to stay in the stock class is exhaust and tires but they must be DOT approved, so racing slicks are a no go but is you put street slicks than you are ok. With me, i would be in h stock but becuase of my intake, i went to d-stock, if you look on the classifications, porsche 944 or maybe 928's were placed in there, tuff to beat.

E_SolSi · 10-21-2002, 08:38 PM

you can get these

these

or these

all are DOT legal and available in sizes that will fit a honda 14" rim ... the first ones are slicks after 2 runs and the 3rd ones i have no fuckin clue how they are DOT legal ... but hey i dont make the rules

pissedoffsol · 10-21-2002, 08:39 PM

sorry- i meant those DOT approved slik things... not racing slicks.

but yeah, thats my point

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-22-2002, 05:25 PM

if you wanna swap something and stay competitive, drop a d16z6 in. they way i understood the rules was that you could swap engines or parts from a higher model(ie civic si) on your car without being thrown into a higher bracket. i think if you go with a b16, b18 etc they put you in 'X' class. this group allows unlimited mods, and you will get your ass kicked. this was in the houston SCCA but i think the rules are the same everywhere.

E_SolSi · 10-22-2002, 11:42 PM

pretty much any swap other than stock replacement will put you in SM ( with full interior ) EM ( with gutted interior )

10-21-2002, 01:16 PM	#1
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	i m not really interested in drag racing but was wondering what swap would work better for auto x for my cx..... better yet what kind of motor set works best for it.... i m interested in a gsr swap but but wondering if thats the best swap/set up for the job __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 02:11 PM	#2
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	NA or small turbo is going to be your best bet. I'd say the GSR is a great swap for AutoX, just be prepared to be owned by the guys that have been running modified cars forever and have more mony to put into their cars than you. (Unless you are one of those guys) __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

10-21-2002, 05:23 PM	#7
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	i would have to drive three hours to do it but will find out. i was thinking of going with itr tranny for for better gearing but i was wondering what motor would work best but affordable still __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 06:13 PM	#8
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	if you do an engine swap it boost you up so high, youll be racing much faster cars. I think that in street modifiyed you can have a swap but i am not sure. Everyone is right when they say the slow car with a good driver wins. The autoX i went to, this old 80's VW GTI in the stock class was pulling better times than alot of the cammaros and Mustangs. That driver rocked, he three wheeled it on almost every turn. __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 06:34 PM	#9
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	yeah but my car is slow as hell! i have a cx..... if i had a dx or a si i would leave it alone but i dont so i m fucked. i m ordering h&r cup kit for suspension with energy suspension urethane bushing and shunk2 front strut bar lower rear tie bar. the drop is 2 inches up and i think 1.75 in the rear... i m not worring about camber cuz i was remembering that a little camber is good 4 auto x i heard once here. __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com


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10-21-2002, 07:00 PM	#10
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	hey tell me how the urethane bushings are once you get them on, i am planning on doing basicly the same setup but i am going with progressive springs (bit softer) Some one told me that those bushings are a bitch to put on. Anyone here know for sure? __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 07:10 PM	#11
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	i m worried about them too.... i can tell yeah i dont want to pay anyone to do it :P __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 07:14 PM	#12
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	That is the thing that i am afraid off with my car is the suspention, swap i think i will be able to handle but the suspention seams like it is going to be hard. I want to build my car for autoX too, not straitlining __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 07:19 PM	#13
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	i still want to be able to beat someone in a drag tho but i really like driving thru turns and what not. where can i find info about auto X in my state... i live in minnesota and heard there is some in st cloud mn but i live in mankato and i never heard about it in my area __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 07:25 PM	#14
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	Myautoevents.com they should have stuff about your region the only thing is most autoX things are done untill spring __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 07:32 PM	#16
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	for auto X whats more important... torque or horse power? is it better to have a motor with vtec or with out? __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 07:49 PM	#17
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	thanks for the help.... my car should be done well before spring __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com

10-21-2002, 07:54 PM	#18
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	i am still kind of a rookie but i am going to have to say tourqe. Tourqe is what helps you pull through the courners. If you are going na then vtec, if turbo than go without. When you autoX you bearly ever shift, (basicly 1st then 2nd for most of the race, 3rd if you are a good driver and can get speed and back down to first if your syncros work (mine dont so i just kept it in second.) __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 08:18 PM	#20
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	the best swap for autox? none. bone stock makes you the most competive. IF I were to build an auto X'er... it would be a 91 crx si, bone stock with 14" racing slicks. thats it. when you add swaps and mods- it puts you in a class with porsches and shit- so keep that in mind.

10-21-2002, 08:22 PM	#21
asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	pretty much the only thing that you can do to stay in the stock class is exhaust and tires but they must be DOT approved, so racing slicks are a no go but is you put street slicks than you are ok. With me, i would be in h stock but becuase of my intake, i went to d-stock, if you look on the classifications, porsche 944 or maybe 928's were placed in there, tuff to beat. __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

10-21-2002, 08:39 PM	#23
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	sorry- i meant those DOT approved slik things... not racing slicks. but yeah, thats my point

10-22-2002, 05:25 PM	#24
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	if you wanna swap something and stay competitive, drop a d16z6 in. they way i understood the rules was that you could swap engines or parts from a higher model(ie civic si) on your car without being thrown into a higher bracket. i think if you go with a b16, b18 etc they put you in 'X' class. this group allows unlimited mods, and you will get your ass kicked. this was in the houston SCCA but i think the rules are the same everywhere. __________________ .....deagle.....

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