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B16RacerN2NR · 11-04-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 95b16coupe

speaking of gay rights. lol

Lol well fuck, I don't wanna be bored as fuck out there during the week. My kids and my girlfriend can't come with me so i'll only get to see them on the weekends

Back to topic...

phyregod · 11-04-2009, 06:54 PM

This is a free country. If a man wants to marry a man, or a woman wants to marry a woman who are you or I or the state to tell them any different?

This is a stupid issue that has eaten way too much time in our courts, news, etc. It doesn't fucking matter. Let them get married!

tabKola · 11-04-2009, 07:16 PM

Let them get married. It doesn't affect my life unless I get invited to one.

Slammed89Integra · 11-04-2009, 08:19 PM

:word:

We got everything but "marriage" now in Washington.

mdpsEG · 11-04-2009, 08:24 PM

i dont agree with gay marriage... marriage is between a man and a woman. homos can do whatever they want i really dont care, but they should not get the benefits of marriage

invisibledemon · 11-04-2009, 08:47 PM

would somebody please show me where exactly marriage was defined as a union between only make and female?

you know, that we are the only species that has made same sex sex a bad thing.
just about every single species of animal that has male and female, there is always some gay sex happening. its pretty natural, its just been turned into something bad.

Drake · 11-04-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Slammed89Integra

:word:

We got everything but "marriage" now in Washington.

Yup passed at 51 percent.

I think washington proves that most people don't have a problem with equal rights its the term marriage people have an issue with. And I wouldn't exactly say homosexuality is natural. Its the exception to the rule in our species.

klyph · 11-04-2009, 09:17 PM

I'm against the state being involved whatsoever in any form of marriage.
Marriage is a religious ceremony, a spiritual union, but somehow it has become blurred into a legal contract between two parties, yet is still a religious issue.

What we need to do is separate the legal aspects of marriage from the religious aspects. Anyone should be able to marry anyone, or anything (even horses or dogs), but they shouldn't enjoy any special privileges due to the fact that they performed a religious ceremony. Conversely, the laws for entering into a contractual agreement or partnership between two parties have already been established. This is where the tax breaks and the divorce laws should be applied, to people that have made a legal contract with each other, not to members of certain religions who perform certain ceremonies.

And don't try to tell me that taking away the legal privileges of marriage is an affront to the "sanctity of marriage". Adding government restrictions on religion is what takes away it's sanctity.

To the Atheist, marriage is meaningless, what they want is the legal contract. To the Christian, marriage is a union between two souls, blessed by God, it has nothing to do with legal responsibility. The two aspects need to seperated so that everyone can have the same opportunities, privileges and responsibilities regardless of their religion.

B · 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM

since when do we have the separation of church and state? lol

95b16coupe · 11-04-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by B

since when do we have the separation of church and state? lol

since we left england y0!

B · 11-04-2009, 09:38 PM

right....................

phyregod · 11-04-2009, 09:55 PM

Its funny. This country was built around freedom.. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of this and that.. But the laws of Christianity state that marriage is one man and one woman and thus it is law in our country.

I think it is morally unethical to disallow a wedding between a pair of people. We are getting in the way of their happiness, and that is against everything this country was founded on.

Really people.. If they want to pack fudge in wedded bliss, let them have at it. Is it going to affect your life? Will it affect mine? No. It will not. If we tell them they cannot, we are heavily impacting their lives.

95b16coupe · 11-04-2009, 10:27 PM

if i had it my way, i would just abolish the term marriage.

how about civil commitment, legal partnership, life partner, or spouse. it should be sexually ambiguous.

the terms wedding, marriage, and holy fucking union are old and antiquated.

D16Civic · 11-04-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by corvetteguy78

You realize most of the problems we face are due to religion....they should outlaw religion and the world would be fine

I couldn't agree with you more.

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Originally Posted by 95b16coupe

i would rather see ignorance outlawed. with the death penalty as punishment.

The problem is that religions breed ignorance by pushing their beliefs on people. My whole view of religion in general is that your average weekly churchgoer attends because it's what they've been doing since they were kids when their parents dragged them in on Sunday morning. It basically starts from birth. As you grow up, your beliefs become the beliefs of the church. You're basically indoctrinated into it, and you have no opportunity to think for yourself.

As far as gay marriage, I'm very suprised that most of "us" on this forum seem to support it, or at least are indifferent to it. Most of us are under 35, and if we are a microcosm of society, more than likely it will be legalized in our lifetime I think.

B · 11-04-2009, 11:59 PM

until 'in god we trust' and 'so help me god' are removed from our money and our court procedings, seperation of church and state does NOT exist in america. period.

Drake · 11-05-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by B

until 'in god we trust' and 'so help me god' are removed from our money and our court procedings, seperation of church and state does NOT exist in america. period.

Truth.

And for the being able to marry anything that doesnt fly. A horse or a dog does not have the ability to consent to marriage.

klyph · 11-05-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake

Truth.

And for the being able to marry anything that doesnt fly. A horse or a dog does not have the ability to consent to marriage.

Neither does an infant have the ability to give consent for the sacrament of baptism, yet I don't see anyone raising a stink about that (besides Baptists). Marriage is just another sacrament, why does it get more attention? Because there are laws concerning marriage. There are tax codes about it, govt. forms, employer forms, census forms, that all want to know whether you are or not. It has become such an integral part of our society, that everyone is emotionally attached to the subject.
The point is, religious ceremonies should be meaningless from a legal standpoint, but like B said, the line between church and state is blurred in many locations. We need to focus our attention on the fact that religious oppression is being exercised by the American govt., that laws concerning religion are voided by the Constitutional protections in the first Amendment.

corvetteguy78 · 11-05-2009, 08:08 AM

Again i quote a man of pure genious...

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I want you to know, when it comes to believing in god- I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is FUCKED-UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]

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You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Ok. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. Doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that god was having trouble with. For years I asked god to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that cock-sucker out with one visit. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]

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I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to god, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answer at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as god 50/50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50/50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself. And for those of you that look to the Bible for it's literary qualities and moral lessons; I got a couple other stories I might like to recommend for you. You might enjoy The Three Little Pigs. That's a good one. It has a nice happy ending. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood. Although it does have that one x-rated part where the Big-Bad-Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I liked best: ...and all the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no god. None. Not one. Never was. No god. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]

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Here's another question I've been pondering- What is all this shit about Angels? Have you herd this? 3 out of 4 people belive in Angels. Are you FUCKING STUPID? Has everybody lost their mind? You know what I think it is? I think it's a massive, collective, psychotic chemical flashback for all the drugs smoked, swallowed, shot, and obsorbed rectally by all Americans from 1960 to 1990. 30 years of street drugs will get you some fucking Angels my friend! [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
What about Goblins, huh? Doesn't anybody belive in Goblins? You never hear about this.. Except on Halloween and then it's all negative shit. And what about Zombies? You never hear from Zombies! That's the trouble with Zombies, they're unreliable! I say if you're going to go for the Angel bullshit you might as well go for the Zombie package as well.. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]

Drake · 11-05-2009, 09:43 AM

I whole heartly agree that we need a much clearer separation between church and state.

Taco15 · 11-05-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by E_SolSi

taco im not attacking you with this, please do not take it that way... i simply want to use what you said to illustrate a point

feel free to insert any desired race or religion and the appropriate slurs to that statement :
hispanics / spics
asians / gooks
jews / kikes
etc
etc
etc

they are people... they are in love... they want to get married... what difference does it make in your life if they do???

personally im not into blonds... but im not going to tell you your wrong for marrying mrs taco

please dont take offense to any of that taco... i still love you

wow. very good observation. point taken. and chester i see what you mean.

But like i stated before. alot of many other sacred things have been run over and trampled on so as far as marriage goes.....i dont care.

Taco15 · 11-05-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake

Truth.

And for the being able to marry anything that doesnt fly. A horse or a dog does not have the ability to consent to marriage.

did you hear about the woman who married the paris monument? To me this is a result of letting people just do what ever they want because they can. Its only gonna get more stupid until someone has the balls to say. ''NO! fuck you and take your crazy ass home.

UNDR8D · 11-05-2009, 01:04 PM

Frankly if they think they want to throw a wrench into the spokes of life by getting married and assuming all the responsibility,commitment, heartache, hard work, etc. then that's fine.

My guess is that if it was legalized, there will be a sharp influx in the number of gay marriages quickly followed by a rapid decline to a statistical zero once they realize what they have done...

klyph · 11-05-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco15

did you hear about the woman who married the paris monument? To me this is a result of letting people just do what ever they want because they can. Its only gonna get more stupid until someone has the balls to say. ''NO! fuck you and take your crazy ass home.

So you are advocating we restrict her right to perform a seemingly meaningless religious ceremony? You are advocating that someone come to her and say NO!, fuck your crazy ass religion, it's not the same as mine, so you're not allowed to practice it. You might look into somewhere like Iran or Saudi Arabia, they share your brand of conservative religious fanaticism.
Thank God for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, or misguided people would strip fundamental freedoms from fellow citizens before thinking about all the ramifications.
You don't have the right to tell anyone anything when it comes to their religion and how they want to practice it. As long as she's not hurting anyone, she can marry every landmark on the planet as far as the Constitution is concerned.

Here's a more reasonable scenario of concern: Mormon's and polygamy.
Now, what right does the govt. have to say that a man can't marry more than one woman, even though it's obviously part of his religion? There is no reason why he and multiple consenting adult women should not be allowed to marry. The govt. shouldn't get involved in the religious aspect, yet they do, because they have assigned legal rights to a religious ceremony, which is the true root of the problem. The problem is not that people are "perverting" marriage. The problem is that marriage has been washed of it's religious signifigance by Las Vegas weddings, and $100 divorce lawyers. It has been institutionalised into a legal contract, which would be fine, if they would keep the religious and legal aspects separate, but we haven't. Certain religious people have come to expect legal entitlements to their religious ceremonies, which is wrong. Nowhere in any Scripture I know of does it talk of marriage as a legal contract, so why do religious people expect it to fill that role? They are cheapening it’s significance by perverting it into something it was never intended to be.

klyphnotes:
Marriage=Religion, govt. should have zero involvement.
Civil Contracts should replace ALL legal forms of marriage.
Problem Solved.

DarkHand · 11-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Taco15 · 11-05-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by klyph

So you are advocating we restrict her right to perform a seemingly meaningless religious ceremony? You are advocating that someone come to her and say NO!, fuck your crazy ass religion, it's not the same as mine, so you're not allowed to practice it. You might look into somewhere like Iran or Saudi Arabia, they share your brand of conservative religious fanaticism.
Thank God for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, or misguided people would strip fundamental freedoms from fellow citizens before thinking about all the ramifications.
You don't have the right to tell anyone anything when it comes to their religion and how they want to practice it. As long as she's not hurting anyone, she can marry every landmark on the planet as far as the Constitution is concerned.

Here's a more reasonable scenario of concern: Mormon's and polygamy.
Now, what right does the govt. have to say that a man can't marry more than one woman, even though it's obviously part of his religion? There is no reason why he and multiple consenting adult women should not be allowed to marry. The govt. shouldn't get involved in the religious aspect, yet they do, because they have assigned legal rights to a religious ceremony, which is the true root of the problem. The problem is not that people are "perverting" marriage. The problem is that marriage has been washed of it's religious signifigance by Las Vegas weddings, and $100 divorce lawyers. It has been institutionalised into a legal contract, which would be fine, if they would keep the religious and legal aspects separate, but we haven't. Certain religious people have come to expect legal entitlements to their religious ceremonies, which is wrong. Nowhere in any Scripture I know of does it talk of marriage as a legal contract, so why do religious people expect it to fill that role? They are cheapening it’s significance by perverting it into something it was never intended to be.

klyphnotes:
Marriage=Religion, govt. should have zero involvement.
Civil Contracts should replace ALL legal forms of marriage.
Problem Solved.

i could care less.....but i'm just saying, ahh fuck it. She can fuck the god damn statue in public. Hell i hope she fucks herself with a bolt right infront of someone's kids. Its her god given right.

no hard feelings. Topics like these always get touchy.

11-04-2009, 08:19 PM	#29
Slammed89Integra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Washington Age: 22 Posts: 7,741 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Scion TC, 2005 Suzuki GSX-R 600 Rep Power: 155	:word: We got everything but "marriage" now in Washington. __________________ When this is all over I think we should get an apartment together.

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invisibledemon Bored Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tn Age: 23 Posts: 2,988 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: I walk on my hands Rep Power: 213	would somebody please show me where exactly marriage was defined as a union between only make and female? you know, that we are the only species that has made same sex sex a bad thing. just about every single species of animal that has male and female, there is always some gay sex happening. its pretty natural, its just been turned into something bad. __________________ I had an argument with a girl I know. She was saying how its unfair that if a guy fucks a different girl every week, he's a legend, but if a girl fucks just two guys in a year, she's a slut. So in response I told her that if a key opens lots of locks, then its a master key. But if a lock is open by lots of keys, then its a shitty lock. That shut her up.

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95b16coupe wwtdd? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ct Posts: 2,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 215	if i had it my way, i would just abolish the term marriage. how about civil commitment, legal partnership, life partner, or spouse. it should be sexually ambiguous. the terms wedding, marriage, and holy fucking union are old and antiquated. __________________ Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic.

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tabKola Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Tewksbury MA Age: 21 Posts: 200 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: civic ek 4 door Rep Power: 5	Let them get married. It doesn't affect my life unless I get invited to one.

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klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,226 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 263	I'm against the state being involved whatsoever in any form of marriage. Marriage is a religious ceremony, a spiritual union, but somehow it has become blurred into a legal contract between two parties, yet is still a religious issue. What we need to do is separate the legal aspects of marriage from the religious aspects. Anyone should be able to marry anyone, or anything (even horses or dogs), but they shouldn't enjoy any special privileges due to the fact that they performed a religious ceremony. Conversely, the laws for entering into a contractual agreement or partnership between two parties have already been established. This is where the tax breaks and the divorce laws should be applied, to people that have made a legal contract with each other, not to members of certain religions who perform certain ceremonies. And don't try to tell me that taking away the legal privileges of marriage is an affront to the "sanctity of marriage". Adding government restrictions on religion is what takes away it's sanctity. To the Atheist, marriage is meaningless, what they want is the legal contract. To the Christian, marriage is a union between two souls, blessed by God, it has nothing to do with legal responsibility. The two aspects need to seperated so that everyone can have the same opportunities, privileges and responsibilities regardless of their religion.

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