pissedoffsol

bye bye GM, you just got lapped by Toyota, who after 1st quarter sales figures now is the worlds #1 automaker,

Turbo&Auto

No surprise.

pissedoffsol

Toyota overtakes GM in global vehicle sales | Reuters

reikoshea

reliable, affordable, low-cost maintenance, high mpg. why would anyone buy a toyota over a chevy?

cheese9988

For a quarter, Yot'as stock is still too expensive for me to buy.

cheese9988

I just bought a Chevy. Toyota line up sucks, affordable sometimes, how low is low maintenance, not all cars are made in USA (sometimes visa versa tho).

reikoshea

low maintenance like the last toyota i owned went 20,000 miles without an oil change (91 corolla). but in all seriousness, new toyotas are pretty reliable, and 4 people at my office drive 03+ camrys....they just get oil changes every 5k.

Turbo&Auto

I got my new Yaris, 12K 40MPG and 5K oil changes. It gets the MPG's advertised too.

pissedoffsol

the sad thing, is that toyotas sold in the states are more american than GM

cheese9988

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On what grounds? Although the only two imports that made this list are Yo-tas. I am sure there are a few other import cars that have more American parts than imports but look at the big picture. Who wants a job in the future, I do.

MoSeS

well shit, isnt gm made in taiwan??? ford is made in mexico, honda and toyota have more plants in america than any other car company (except maybe chrysler, idk) so who employs more americans to build these cars???

Battle Pope

My 2007 Civic started it's life in Ohio. *shrug*

Celerity

Mine doesn't. I'm lucky to tickle 30 mpg and my front end is loose.

cheese9988

Again on what grounds. While some of the cars and parts are in fact being made in America where is the majority of the work coming from. There is more to a car than just it being assembled. The car must be engineered somewhere, tested somewhere. Then there are the parts, who makes the engine, engine parts (bearings, pistons, rings, washers), who makes the sensors, hvac parts, interior fabric, plastic peices, moulding, exauhst, electronics, computer, solenoids, relays, battery, filters. I wouldn't be surprised if there were close to 100 companies that put parts into ONE car. Each company who makes a part could have hundreds to thousands of employees. Each one of these companies have outside servicemen, outside contractors, they give ALOT of tax dollars, each employee puts more money into the economy. Then there is advertising, the salesman, etc.

I don't care who the manufacture is, if the sales sticker doesn't say its built in the US, I won't buy it, no matter how pretty the car is, how good the gas mileage or how fast it is. There are imports that support the economy more than some domestic. I heard the Toyota minivan is more American than a Mustang, which is really sad. But at the same time, is there a more American minivan than the Toyota? For me this applies to most products, I try to buy American if I can, why, because it supports our country not some guy in China or Mexico. It supports my future.

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DarkHand

That's all well and good (and I don't mean that sarcastically, that really is ok), but I'm not going to lower my standard of living or inconvenience myself with mechanical hassles or extra expenses just to buy something that says 'Made in America' on it. If our car companies can't compete, the market is going to push that companies' genes out of existence. They will either adapt and improve their lineup, or go the way of the dodo. Eventually then, another American company would fill the gap for their shot.

pissedoffsol

nearly all japanesse cars are ASSEMBLED here in the states.
the parts are mfg'ed mostly in japan, but its cheaper for them to ship boxes of parts and assemble here than whole cars.

Celerity

International manufacturing and processing is such a complex world that no number of posts here can ever scratch the surface. The methods and techniques - each of them - are so intricate that we couldn't understand them after years of evaluation. The cost-per-minute aspects, cost per pound, deliverables, support, it's got a life of it's own.

2000Si

Don't you mean why would anyone buy a chevy over a toyota?

micah

companies will slap anything on there product to get people to buy from them. congratulations on being sucked in by the "made in america" ad campaign

i used to work in a textile factory. every single box of materials and supplies that came in that place was from asia. every single box of product that left had a sticker that said made in america.
it took about 5 minutes to completely assemble the product and pack it and send it out.
how does that possibly warrant being made in america.

thats like buying a bookshelf from an asian import store and taking it home and putting it together and putting a made in america sticker on it because you "made" it in your living room.

its bullshit and its a marketing scheme.

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pissedoffsol

but it still puts 1 american to work to assemble it, 1 american to sell it, 1 american to service it, 1 american to offer to insure it, and 1 american to drive it.

foreign parts aren't that bad.

the only thing missing is the "1 american to make the part" really.

and no one here wants to press out bolts for 30 cents a day

reikoshea

i said what i said....sarcasm doesnt really come out over the net.

klyph

I thought GM was partnered with Toyota?
Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe?

trappd-in-859

Toyota's cars have always been reliable. I don't know why honda is consided the king of reliability when toyota has a better track record. Since 2001 honda has really slipped on reliability IMO. Now I don't know if this changed with the 06-07 model years, but they seemed to do really bad 2001-2005.

2000Si

You learned woman speak. Good for you.

pissedoffsol

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