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UNDR8D · 11-06-2009, 06:12 PM

Is this real?

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• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

Drake · 11-06-2009, 06:54 PM

if it came in the form of chain mail then I is probably grossley over stated and extremely over simplified. But either way nationlized healthcare is going to suck horse peepee. Is there even a formal bill that's been compiled yet? Is it that Bachas bill or whatever that persons name is

UNDR8D · 11-06-2009, 07:00 PM

This did not come from a chain email...and it is going to more than suck...there is so much ridiculous stuff attached to it like...vending machine content regulation, mandated doctor salaries, etc.
Seriously, this shit is never going to pass..

And why the fuck are ALL illegal immigrants going to get free healthcare...? I don't understand.

CRX-YEM · 11-06-2009, 07:38 PM

Could you link us to the source. Without it it's hard to know if it's credible or not.

Drake · 11-06-2009, 08:00 PM

The Democrats have two options either pass this legislation and get voted out in a big way in 2010, or cut it down a boat load and still mark it down as a Democrat win.

Cashizslick · 11-06-2009, 08:10 PM

Heh. Its going to suck to be a democrat in 2010.

You vote in an extreme takeover of healthcare. As a member of congress, you do not have to use this awful new system YOU voted into place.

. . . . then you get voted out of office and are stuck signing up for the bullshit you leveled on the rest of us.

Drake · 11-06-2009, 08:19 PM

You know, the worst part is evening voting these idiots out of office if they do pass this isnt going to provide any sollice.

B · 11-07-2009, 12:11 AM

just keep writing your congressmen (especially if you're in a democraptic run area) and keep telling them why its not a good idea.

|Chaz| · 11-07-2009, 12:48 AM

Does anyone here actually think they can pass this though? I'd be surprised if it did. They can talk about it all they want, but its a long ways from effecting any of us. I think a lot of you guys blow things out of proportion.

Since Obama's taken office, how many of you can honestly say your lives have been changed in any significant way? Its a serious question, so be honest. I want to know.

B · 11-07-2009, 01:19 AM

its already close to passing... needs only like 10-15 more votes.

and did you HONESTLY expect change? lol congrats, you fell for it.

Drake · 11-07-2009, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by |Chaz|

Does anyone here actually think they can pass this though? I'd be surprised if it did. They can talk about it all they want, but its a long ways from effecting any of us. I think a lot of you guys blow things out of proportion.

Since Obama's taken office, how many of you can honestly say your lives have been changed in any significant way? Its a serious question, so be honest. I want to know.

Like B said they are a handful of votes away from getting it passed as it sits now. And yes we have all be effected. 60 percent of the mortgages in this country are held by one company. A shit load of banks are now owned and controlled by the government, plus two major automotive companies. We are not going to see the fall out from this shit storm for a few years. More than likely it will be our children that bare the brunt of the burden.

And honestly I am doing everything that I can to help try and prevent this shit from going through. I really dont care to take part in the grand socialist experiment. We are the country we are because in the past Americans where enabled to go forth into the free world and succeed and fail on their own. No/Little interference, no favors and no hand outs.

As for blowing things out of proportion we have an administration claiming that doctors are cutting tonsils out just to make some more money. Reclaiming contractually obligated wages to make it appear they are tuff on waste and fraud. When the hell did making a profit turn into such an evil thing? I guess I can see how a CEO seems like a pompous ass and they dont do a damn thing, but the fry cooks at McDonalds same the same shit about the store manager. On and on it goes.

Drake · 11-07-2009, 03:50 AM

also more to the point. It is not the job of the government to do half the shit they have been doing for the last 75 years plus. I believe in the constitution god damn it, you want to change it then ammend it. It has been the foundation of the greatest country in the world and for some reason we feel the need to wipe our asses with it because it isn't hip and cool. Its not a god damn living document that you just tack shit onto. We have mechanisims in place to affect change but we dance around that under the guise of the common good. The common good used to be helping your neighbour when he needed it be it money or holding the flashlight.

And make no mistake, I am not saying this because my guy didn't win. It doesn't matter what letter is next to someones name if your pissing on the constitution then we have beef.

E_SolSi · 11-07-2009, 09:25 AM

well said as usual drake

Drake · 11-07-2009, 10:57 PM

Here you go ladies and gents......

House passes health care reform bill - CNN.com

The ball keeps on rollin.

E_SolSi · 11-07-2009, 11:20 PM

UNDR8D · 11-07-2009, 11:23 PM

Seriously...

B · 11-07-2009, 11:27 PM

yay for soclism! congrats, dems. you've duped everyone, and for that i give you credit.

invisibledemon · 11-07-2009, 11:45 PM

well, im going to start looking into moving to another country.

this shit hole can go to hell.

B · 11-08-2009, 12:12 AM

it still needs to pass the senate.... thats our only hope.

invisibledemon · 11-08-2009, 12:18 AM

which controls the senate right now?

B · 11-08-2009, 12:39 AM

dems, but a few are against it. it's going to be pretty dman close to 50/50. lieberman (I) is against it too, which helps.

Cashizslick · 11-08-2009, 01:49 AM

this is terrible.

Drake · 11-08-2009, 02:10 AM

I'm seriously concerned as to what may happen if this passes.

this will be the final straw when it comes to the Constitution. They may as well fucking burn it. They think its all about the money and that isn't the case. And like I said before if this passes nothing we do in 2010 is going to make a diffrence. The flood gates will be opened. This legislation raises the bar to a whole new level.

B · 11-08-2009, 05:03 AM

all we can do is educate the stupid fuck to your left next time voting season comes around.

Jeef · 11-08-2009, 08:00 AM

Like B said, Everyone write to your senators and tell them how bad this bill is for our country and our small businesses.
Also, make note of the reps in your area that voted for this bill, make sure you vote them out of office in the next election.

11-07-2009, 03:50 AM	#12
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	also more to the point. It is not the job of the government to do half the shit they have been doing for the last 75 years plus. I believe in the constitution god damn it, you want to change it then ammend it. It has been the foundation of the greatest country in the world and for some reason we feel the need to wipe our asses with it because it isn't hip and cool. Its not a god damn living document that you just tack shit onto. We have mechanisims in place to affect change but we dance around that under the guise of the common good. The common good used to be helping your neighbour when he needed it be it money or holding the flashlight. And make no mistake, I am not saying this because my guy didn't win. It doesn't matter what letter is next to someones name if your pissing on the constitution then we have beef. __________________ XBL GT: Churched V2 МОΛΏΝ ΛΑΒΈ

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11-06-2009, 06:54 PM	#2
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	if it came in the form of chain mail then I is probably grossley over stated and extremely over simplified. But either way nationlized healthcare is going to suck horse peepee. Is there even a formal bill that's been compiled yet? Is it that Bachas bill or whatever that persons name is

11-06-2009, 07:00 PM	#3
UNDR8D ...needs a job Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 6OH!3 Age: 25 Posts: 1,833 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 'Til my balls are dry Rep Power: 147	This did not come from a chain email...and it is going to more than suck...there is so much ridiculous stuff attached to it like...vending machine content regulation, mandated doctor salaries, etc. Seriously, this shit is never going to pass.. And why the fuck are ALL illegal immigrants going to get free healthcare...? I don't understand.

11-06-2009, 07:38 PM	#4
CRX-YEM Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wallingford, CT Age: 32 Posts: 4,472 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 CRX Rep Power: 87	Could you link us to the source. Without it it's hard to know if it's credible or not.

11-06-2009, 08:00 PM	#5
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	The Democrats have two options either pass this legislation and get voted out in a big way in 2010, or cut it down a boat load and still mark it down as a Democrat win.

11-06-2009, 08:10 PM	#6
Cashizslick Ninja Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,550 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 129	Heh. Its going to suck to be a democrat in 2010. You vote in an extreme takeover of healthcare. As a member of congress, you do not have to use this awful new system YOU voted into place. . . . . then you get voted out of office and are stuck signing up for the bullshit you leveled on the rest of us.

11-06-2009, 08:19 PM	#7
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	You know, the worst part is evening voting these idiots out of office if they do pass this isnt going to provide any sollice.

11-07-2009, 12:11 AM	#8
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	just keep writing your congressmen (especially if you're in a democraptic run area) and keep telling them why its not a good idea.

11-07-2009, 12:48 AM	#9
\|Chaz\| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington Age: 20 Posts: 3,305 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 92' EG Sedan Rep Power: 179	Does anyone here actually think they can pass this though? I'd be surprised if it did. They can talk about it all they want, but its a long ways from effecting any of us. I think a lot of you guys blow things out of proportion. Since Obama's taken office, how many of you can honestly say your lives have been changed in any significant way? Its a serious question, so be honest. I want to know.

11-07-2009, 01:19 AM	#10
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	its already close to passing... needs only like 10-15 more votes. and did you HONESTLY expect change? lol congrats, you fell for it.

11-07-2009, 09:25 AM	#13
E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 32 Posts: 20,299 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 735	well said as usual drake

11-07-2009, 10:57 PM	#14
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	Here you go ladies and gents...... House passes health care reform bill - CNN.com The ball keeps on rollin.

11-07-2009, 11:20 PM	#15
E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 32 Posts: 20,299 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 735

11-07-2009, 11:23 PM	#16
UNDR8D ...needs a job Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 6OH!3 Age: 25 Posts: 1,833 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 'Til my balls are dry Rep Power: 147	Seriously...

11-07-2009, 11:27 PM	#17
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	yay for soclism! congrats, dems. you've duped everyone, and for that i give you credit.

11-07-2009, 11:45 PM	#18
invisibledemon Bored Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tn Age: 23 Posts: 3,331 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: I walk on my hands Rep Power: 287	well, im going to start looking into moving to another country. this shit hole can go to hell.

11-08-2009, 12:12 AM	#19
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	it still needs to pass the senate.... thats our only hope.

11-08-2009, 12:18 AM	#20
invisibledemon Bored Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tn Age: 23 Posts: 3,331 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: I walk on my hands Rep Power: 287	which controls the senate right now?

11-08-2009, 12:39 AM	#21
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	dems, but a few are against it. it's going to be pretty dman close to 50/50. lieberman (I) is against it too, which helps.

11-08-2009, 01:49 AM	#22
Cashizslick Ninja Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,550 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 129	this is terrible.

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11-08-2009, 02:10 AM	#23
Drake Llama Hunter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Eastern, WA Age: 23 Posts: 4,241 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 CRX DX/ZC 5spd Rep Power: 386	I'm seriously concerned as to what may happen if this passes. this will be the final straw when it comes to the Constitution. They may as well fucking burn it. They think its all about the money and that isn't the case. And like I said before if this passes nothing we do in 2010 is going to make a diffrence. The flood gates will be opened. This legislation raises the bar to a whole new level.

11-08-2009, 05:03 AM	#24
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,933 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 510	all we can do is educate the stupid fuck to your left next time voting season comes around.

11-08-2009, 08:00 AM	#25
Jeef Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 30 Posts: 4,640 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 06 Chevy Silverado Rep Power: 109	Like B said, Everyone write to your senators and tell them how bad this bill is for our country and our small businesses. Also, make note of the reps in your area that voted for this bill, make sure you vote them out of office in the next election.