HERE COMES THE PAIN! Lesnar talks MMA
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Capt. Orygun
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I'm not registered and it lets me right in
wants me to register as well.
Cashizslick
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not registered error.
Why dont you give us the cliff notes on this?
Why dont you give us the cliff notes on this?
Capt. Orygun
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click to enlargeBrock Lesnar is a former NCAA wrestling champion who went on to great success as a pro wrestler for World Wrestling Entertainment. On June 2 at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, he makes his mixed martial arts debut at Dynamite USA.
The muscular amateur wrestling standout was heavily recruited by WWE coming out of college, and signed with them in 2000. At that time he was offered a large contract by WWE.
"I left college because I had a quarter-of-a-million dollar contract in front of me and I had twenty-five cents in my pocket," Lesnar says. "[MMA] couldn't offer me that."
Would he have gone straight into MMA if he was offered the same amount of money as WWE gave him?
"Absolutely, for sure," Lesnar said.
Lesnar views pro wrestling as his past, and is now training to be a full-time MMA fighter. Unlike fellow pro wrestler Josh Barnett, he does not view himself as a representative of pro wrestling in MMA.
"I'm representing amateur wrestling," he said.
Nor does Lesnar see himself returning to pro wrestling, "Never say never on anything like that but I highly doubt it."
Lesnar's opponent on the card is the 7-2, 355-pound Hong Man Choi. Lesnar is preparing for Choi's size by working out with a couple of 6-8 fighters, but he acknowledges that it is difficult to find individuals that can replicate Choi's size.
Lesnar said that in spite of Choi's size, he is encouraged by the style match-up and asserts, "They couldn't have picked an easier opponent for me."
Lesnar has been training at the Minnesota Mixed Martial Arts Academy. He is working on all aspects of his game, including wrestling, jiu jitsu and standup.
Lesnar notes, "I'm not going to focus on one thing. I want to be a well-rounded fighter."
As for the future, Lesnar says that he doesn't have any goals. For his first fight, Lesnar says, "I just want to come out and prove to myself that I can fight." From there, he is open to any future fights. He currently weighs 265 pounds, so he could fight at heavyweight as well as super-heavyweight.
Former amateur wrestling superstar and WrestleMania opponent Kurt Angle has also talked of getting into MMA. Lesnar isn't sure how serious he is: "I've spoken to Kurt a few times but I don't know. If he chose to do that I think he's good for a couple fights."
Lesnar would consider taking a fight with Angle, which could be a marketable pay-per-view attraction.
The June 2 show will be the American debut for Japanese kickboxing and MMA outfit K1. At a news conference Tuesday, K1 announced an organizational alliance with many other fighting companies including Elite XC, Bodog Fight, Strike Force, Cage Rage and Korean promotion Spirit. These organizations will need to demonstrate collective strength in order to compete with the Ultimate Fighting Championship, which now also controls Pride Fighting Championships.
Dynamite USA will feature a unique promotional arrangement. At 9 p.m., Showtime and Elite XC will televise a one-hour fight card including fights with Jake Shields, Antonio Silva and Gina Carano. Then at 10 p.m., there will be a live pay-per-view event headlined by Lesnar vs. Choi. Also fighting on the pay-per-view will be MMA legend Royce Gracie and former USC and Detroit Lion standout Johnnie Morton. The rest of the card has not been filled out, but promoter Sadaharu Tanikawa mentioned the names of Kazushi Sakuraba, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Katsuhiko Nagata and Caol Uno.
When asked about facing the daunting task of filling a 100,000-seat arena, Tanikawa said the promotion would draw on the large Korean and Japanese communities in Southern California. He predicted that the promotion will fill the Coliseum.
Mauro Ranallo, Bill Goldberg and Jay Glazer will do commentary for both the Showtime special and the pay-per-view. To promote the event, Showtime will air six individual specials at 8:30 on Monday nights, beginning April 30.
Todd Martin can be reached at martint2007@lawnet.ucla.edu.
oh wow, he weighs 265 now?! time for him to punch Tim Silvia in the face for me
Cashizslick
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oh wow, he weighs 265 now?! time for him to punch Tim Silvia in the face for me
Hes gonna get his ass kicked - not that i like Tim Silvia . ..
On another note - UFC Bought Pride! Now all the lousy talent in UFC will be replaced (bye bye to morons like Chris leman, nick diaz, tim silvia, jeff munson, etc).
Capt. Orygun
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you do know he was national freeking champion in the NCAA?
Matt Hughes (a very dominant champion) came from amateur wrestling and didn't have half the tool set Lesnar has, let alone the all star training squad
Other Amateur Wrestlers making a living in the UFC
Tito Ortiz
Chuck Liddell
Randy Couture
should I keep going? Lesnar potentially could be holding the world title by this time next year...
this time next year? lol if I know Dana White, he'll be so pumped to make money he'll throw Lesnar in the ring within the next few months to fight who ever is the champion at that time wether it be Randy, Cro Cop, or Fedor... Dana White is one money hungry motherfucker who picks favorites, we all know that. Although, I don't see Lesnar being able to beat Fedor or Cro Cop anytime soon. Lesnar's best chance, IMO, is against Randy but only because he's like 3 times randy's size lol skill wise, Lesnar isn't there yet.
Cashizslick
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I do Freestyle Kickboxing and MMA.
Been Doing it for 7 years.
We get lots of these wrestler types that pass thru our school from time to time. While they have good take-downs, their ground skills suck because of a number of things you can get away with in wrestling wont work in an MMA situation.
Oh, and their 'stand up' is god-awful.
Lol, i would brag about my MMA laces, but i wear ankle wraps
Capt. Orygun
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he'll need to work on his ju-jit-su and his striking but he's training with Ohio MMA, Militage, and Royce freeking Gracie so I'd say it's safe to say he's covering all angles
and he's not "a wrestler" he's a former NCAA national champion
he's been training for 12 months straight learning, MMA, realistically he won't start to peak for another two years. But his raw athletic talent alone is enough to consider him as a serious threat
and he's not "a wrestler" he's a former NCAA national champion
he's been training for 12 months straight learning, MMA, realistically he won't start to peak for another two years. But his raw athletic talent alone is enough to consider him as a serious threat
Cashizslick
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The fact that he is an NCAA champion only underscores the challenges he has to overcome to adapt to an MMA environment.
He probably has been wrestling most of his life - and therefore, reinforcing the "bad habits" wrestlers learn (i.e. easily giving up the back). One year of training doesnt matter.
The first time this big dumbass fights anybody with talent, he's gonna get knocked out . . especially now that the more advanced, PRIDE fighters are gonna be in the mix.
They will set this guy up with a few chumps for his first few fights to make him look good, then, he will get knocked out in a title match soon after.
Capt. Orygun
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I just don't see it, athlete's are athlete's and Lesnar's young enough to lean.
what your saying in comparable to saying Bo Jackson couldn't play football because he learned in baseball to throw the ball away from his body when as a HB you shouldn't fubmle it.
Lesnar will figure it out, and when he does they'd better start handing out those plastic sheets they issue at Gallagher shows. Cause the first few rows will get wet, with blood.
what your saying in comparable to saying Bo Jackson couldn't play football because he learned in baseball to throw the ball away from his body when as a HB you shouldn't fubmle it.
Lesnar will figure it out, and when he does they'd better start handing out those plastic sheets they issue at Gallagher shows. Cause the first few rows will get wet, with blood.
Cashizslick
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One year of MMA traing doesnt compare to the training of most seasoned professionals.
granted, i learned a lot after my first year . . . but the difference between a person after one year and after 3 is insane . . . now look at somebody w/10 years exp . .
Hes got no chance. Not that he cant learn, but having exp is a BIG plus.
Only somebody who also trains really understands this. The UFC isnt some karate movie where scrubbing a fence is gonna make you as good as a blackbelt.
K2e2vin
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I think the key word here is UFC. Wrestlers have dominated UFC but I believe Pride has the better strike fighters. Take the Gracies for example; excellent wrestling/take-downs techniques...But when you put them against a strike fighter they have trouble getting close.
Lesnar has an advantage over Hong Choi...from the wrestling aspect. From a stand-up fighting point of view, HC has the advantage with a longer reach.
Cashizslick
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you really have to have the total package now as a fighter.
I mainly concentrate on standup. My striking is nasty - but my ground game could use some work . . and it hampers my entire game to a minor extent.
No way is some chump wwf wrestler gonna come into the MAIN MMA organization and do well after 12 months of trainng at a shitty camp.
He should train for a few years, take some fights in Mass Destruction, IFC, or some other "minor" MMA league (if u call it that) to build his skills.
Cas,
You need to pull your head out of your ass.
Wrestlers tend to rule the ring along with Brazilian jui jitsu. He's not a WWF/WWE chump wrestler, you idiot. He was the NCAA National Collegiate Champ. Matt Hughes was a nationally recognized wrestler, but wasn't a national collegiate champ and he still dominates many. We just saw what Randy Couture did to Tim Silvia when he passed his strikes and took Silvia down. Obviously his greco-roman wrestling background at work there.
I'll put money on any wrestler versus a striker. You may think that you're great at striking and amazing but what happens when the person you're fighting can stomach the one hit, or two hits, or how ever many licks you give him and then he takes you down. Look at the size of Lesnar. Once you're down, you're not overpowering him so you're basically limited to submission attempts when he's raining severe blows down on you with far more power than a normal fighter.
Lesnar will take down pretty much anyone in his way.
You need to pull your head out of your ass.
Wrestlers tend to rule the ring along with Brazilian jui jitsu. He's not a WWF/WWE chump wrestler, you idiot. He was the NCAA National Collegiate Champ. Matt Hughes was a nationally recognized wrestler, but wasn't a national collegiate champ and he still dominates many. We just saw what Randy Couture did to Tim Silvia when he passed his strikes and took Silvia down. Obviously his greco-roman wrestling background at work there.
I'll put money on any wrestler versus a striker. You may think that you're great at striking and amazing but what happens when the person you're fighting can stomach the one hit, or two hits, or how ever many licks you give him and then he takes you down. Look at the size of Lesnar. Once you're down, you're not overpowering him so you're basically limited to submission attempts when he's raining severe blows down on you with far more power than a normal fighter.
Lesnar will take down pretty much anyone in his way.
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