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Airjockie · 12-08-2003, 11:52 AM

Try as you might, it's hard to keep the first flight of a new airplane secret, but give Honda full marks for trying. The automotive giant's foray into the bizjet market flew for about an hour from its not-so-secret development facility at Aero Atlantic's FBO at Greensboro-Peidmont Triad International Airport (GSO) last Wednesday. And although the flight has been widely reported, Honda and the various entities involved have clearly been sworn to secrecy about the milestone. "Tell them I referred you to Honda," said a slightly bemused Don Godwin, CEO of Atlantic Aero. Honda's official spokesman Jeffrey Smith didn't return a phone message left by AVweb. Word (anonymously, of course) is that Wednesday's hop was a shakedown in advance of the official rollout that could happen later this week or next. The jet has an odd engine configuration, with the Honda-developed mills resting atop wing-mounted pylons. This makes way for a roomier cabin. Earlier, Honda announced the eight-passenger jet would gross out at 9,200 pounds, cruise at 420 knots up to 44,000 feet and have an IFR range of 1,100 nm.

Honda is in the initial planning stages of building a jet similar in size to Cessna's CJ1. This aircraft is planned to have metal wings and empennage (tail assembly) with a composite fuselage. Honda will be developing its own engine for the aircraft that will have a thrust similar to the Williams FJ44-1, but is expected to have improved fuel efficiency, a high thrust-to-weight ratio, and Honda reliability.

Looks like I might need to go get a job for Honda now...

TurboMirage · 12-08-2003, 12:01 PM

sweet. honda sticks its fingers into everything!

does it have vtec?

Celerity · 12-08-2003, 12:02 PM

If it had cams

-> Steve

Airjockie · 12-08-2003, 12:11 PM

Well, the wife has been telling me about it for a while...she knew about it for a while, I just never looked until it just made my AVweb newsletter...now I'm stoked.

Airjockie · 12-08-2003, 12:20 PM

Honda Jet...but in Japanese

DarkHand · 12-08-2003, 01:17 PM

This first thing that comes to my mind is....

WHERE CAN I GET THE MOUNT KIT TO SWAP IT INTO MY CIVIC!

highperboi · 12-08-2003, 02:03 PM

just looks like any other plane to me... cept with the jet engiens on top of the wing.

DarkHand · 12-08-2003, 02:37 PM

I'm at work, no Photoshop.. but dang I want to see a picture of one of those jet engines in/on top of/behind a Civic

ScrapinSi · 12-08-2003, 03:26 PM

Whats with the engines over the top? Seems to me that with the engines at that angle, that they provide a high amount of downward thrust... Hmmmm...

The nose is very long, and appears to have a great aerodynamic to it, but from the size of the plane, I think a dual turboprop would be a better setup, dont you clayton?

h22bubbleback · 12-08-2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Green92HatchDX@Dec 8 2003, 12:01 PM
does it have vtec?

HAHA

civicious · 12-08-2003, 03:27 PM

wow, a honda that actually needs a huge-ass wing.

but here's the real question....

do they make euros for it?

DarkHand · 12-08-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by h22bubbleback+Dec 8 2003, 02:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h22bubblebac k @ Dec 8 2003, 02:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Green92HatchDX@Dec 8 2003, 12:01 PM
does it have vtec?

HAHA [/b][/quote]
Hehe, I didn't even see that comment.

Would be funny though:

'Ladies and Gentlemen, we're now at full throttle, taking off and heading towards Dallas. I know the engines sound different right now but don't worry, we just hit VTEC. Should be a calm flight, we don't expect to meet up with any ricers looking to drag fly. Hopefully we won't get pestered by the cops about the altezzas. Sit back and enjoy your flight.'

convertedstangbanger · 12-08-2003, 04:04 PM

Airjockie · 12-08-2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScrapinSi@Dec 8 2003, 03:26 PM
Whats with the engines over the top? Seems to me that with the engines at that angle, that they provide a high amount of downward thrust... Hmmmm...

The nose is very long, and appears to have a great aerodynamic to it, but from the size of the plane, I think a dual turboprop would be a better setup, dont you clayton?

Turboprop's VS. Jet engine....

Granted they both run on a turbine, but the Weight to power ratio...goes to the Jets.... and less moving parts to worry about. Economically speaking..turboprop engines consume less, but need to work harder...but it is up to the designer on how he feels the aircraft should be propelled....me, I prefer jets, simple little engines...turbo props have way to many parts to inspect and maintain. Cost wize..the jets are more exspencive.

punkyjewster41 · 12-08-2003, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by civicious@Dec 8 2003, 03:27 PM
wow, a honda that actually needs a huge-ass wing.

but here's the real question....

do they make euros for it?

Dude, that was priceless.

Iquark · 12-08-2003, 04:21 PM

The only problem that I see with the top mounted jet design is the fact that the fuel system will have to run at higher pressure inorder to feed those babies (because they are above the tanks in the wings for those of you who don't work at the airport...) I can't wait for Paul Allen to buy one of these and fly into my FBO.

On a side point, how many of you guys are connected with the Aviation industry on this board?

Airjockie · 12-08-2003, 04:25 PM

ScrapinSi · 12-08-2003, 05:16 PM

If you count the fact that I fly at least 1-2 times a month...

And that I used to be big into planes when I was younger.

EDIT: And btw... I also agree with your statements on the fuel pressure that will be needed... But it isn't that difficult... After all, MD makes planes with the 3rd engine mounted in the aft of the plane, above the fuselage.

dohcvtec_accord · 12-08-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkHand@Dec 8 2003, 01:55 PM
'Ladies and Gentlemen, we're now at full throttle, taking off and heading towards Dallas. I know the engines sound different right now but don't worry, we just hit VTEC. Should be a calm flight, we don't expect to meet up with any ricers looking to drag fly. Hopefully we won't get pestered by the cops about the altezzas. Sit back and enjoy your flight.'

Fucking hilarious. Don't forget the NAWZ buttons that the pilot has on the stick in case the flight is delayed.

Iquark · 12-08-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScrapinSi@Dec 8 2003, 03:16 PM

If you count the fact that I fly at least 1-2 times a month... And that I used to be big into planes when I was younger.

EDIT: And btw... I also agree with your statements on the fuel pressure that will be needed... But it isn't that difficult... After all, MD makes planes with the 3rd engine mounted in the aft of the plane, above the fuselage.

Ya, but another bad thing will be that the engine will be efficient, and my work makes their money off of inefficient jet motors!!!!

Silverchild79 · 12-08-2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Airjockie+Dec 8 2003, 04:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Airjockie @ Dec 8 2003, 04:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-ScrapinSi@Dec 8 2003, 03:26 PM
Whats with the engines over the top? Seems to me that with the engines at that angle, that they provide a high amount of downward thrust...* Hmmmm...

The nose is very long, and appears to have a great aerodynamic to it, but from the size of the plane, I think a dual turboprop would be a better setup, dont you clayton?

Turboprop's VS. Jet engine....

Granted they both run on a turbine, but the Weight to power ratio...goes to the Jets.... and less moving parts to worry about. Economically speaking..turboprop engines consume less, but need to work harder...but it is up to the designer on how he feels the aircraft should be propelled....me, I prefer jets, simple little engines...turbo props have way to many parts to inspect and maintain. Cost wize..the jets are more exspencive. [/b][/quote]
Turbo props are also, generally, slower and operate at full throttle all the time. actual difference in airspeed is changed by a gearbox that actually changes the angle of the blades, making them more or less aggressive. Working in an enviornment where I'm around both, I've also noticed that Turboprops seem to need more day to day type maintenance.

EDIT: Ewww, that thing makes the new SI look kewl. I can see what you mean about it looking like a turboprop setup, but I don't even think the aerospace equivilant of a brown bag would save this one from being one goofy looking plane. I'll Take the F22 with its Vectored exhaust, internal weapons bay, and supersonic without afterburners anyday :-). Oh, and did I menton it's the size of a seagull on radar! "The federal government sees to it that I know more then you..." :P

Airjockie · 12-19-2003, 02:00 AM

coooooooollll

Airjockie · 12-19-2003, 02:04 AM

I think I just messed my pant's....

TurboMirage · 12-19-2003, 02:43 AM

nice video.

Airjockie · 12-19-2003, 03:32 AM

and it has clear corners.......stock...hehe

TEZZZZZzzzzaaaasssss!!!

12-08-2003, 11:52 AM	#1
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	Try as you might, it's hard to keep the first flight of a new airplane secret, but give Honda full marks for trying. The automotive giant's foray into the bizjet market flew for about an hour from its not-so-secret development facility at Aero Atlantic's FBO at Greensboro-Peidmont Triad International Airport (GSO) last Wednesday. And although the flight has been widely reported, Honda and the various entities involved have clearly been sworn to secrecy about the milestone. "Tell them I referred you to Honda," said a slightly bemused Don Godwin, CEO of Atlantic Aero. Honda's official spokesman Jeffrey Smith didn't return a phone message left by AVweb. Word (anonymously, of course) is that Wednesday's hop was a shakedown in advance of the official rollout that could happen later this week or next. The jet has an odd engine configuration, with the Honda-developed mills resting atop wing-mounted pylons. This makes way for a roomier cabin. Earlier, Honda announced the eight-passenger jet would gross out at 9,200 pounds, cruise at 420 knots up to 44,000 feet and have an IFR range of 1,100 nm. Honda is in the initial planning stages of building a jet similar in size to Cessna's CJ1. This aircraft is planned to have metal wings and empennage (tail assembly) with a composite fuselage. Honda will be developing its own engine for the aircraft that will have a thrust similar to the Williams FJ44-1, but is expected to have improved fuel efficiency, a high thrust-to-weight ratio, and Honda reliability. Looks like I might need to go get a job for Honda now... __________________

12-08-2003, 12:01 PM	#2
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12-08-2003, 12:11 PM	#4
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	Well, the wife has been telling me about it for a while...she knew about it for a while, I just never looked until it just made my AVweb newsletter...now I'm stoked. __________________

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Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	Honda Jet...but in Japanese __________________

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highperboi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Alameda, California Posts: 971 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	just looks like any other plane to me... cept with the jet engiens on top of the wing. __________________ my <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/gallery/browse.php?album_id=668\' target=\'_blank\'>civic</a> can burn stationwagons.....when they're parked


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12-08-2003, 03:26 PM	#9
ScrapinSi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,283 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 48	Whats with the engines over the top? Seems to me that with the engines at that angle, that they provide a high amount of downward thrust... Hmmmm... The nose is very long, and appears to have a great aerodynamic to it, but from the size of the plane, I think a dual turboprop would be a better setup, dont you clayton? __________________ this country is turning into a bunch of fucking pussies... if this keeps up, pretty soon we'll be singing the french national anthem. -E_SolSi

12-08-2003, 03:27 PM	#11
civicious FüK-VTEC Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 23 Posts: 8,409 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: 07 Nissan Frontier, 90 CRX Si, 06 ZX6R racebike, chopped-out 02 Yamaha V-Star Rep Power: 189	wow, a honda that actually needs a huge-ass wing. but here's the real question.... do they make euros for it? __________________ CMRA #265 http://www.myspace.com/civicious AIM: greyfades

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12-08-2003, 04:21 PM	#16
Iquark Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mount Vernon, WA Posts: 272 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	The only problem that I see with the top mounted jet design is the fact that the fuel system will have to run at higher pressure inorder to feed those babies (because they are above the tanks in the wings for those of you who don't work at the airport...) I can't wait for Paul Allen to buy one of these and fly into my FBO. On a side point, how many of you guys are connected with the Aviation industry on this board? __________________ 2003 Infiniti G35 1992 Civic Si Hatch JDM B18C, with a B16 head, and B16 Tranny on P30 ECU Civic Type R Cams on stock valve train, uprgade to Skunk2 IM soon... AEM SRI, Greddy 4-2-1 header, 5-Zigen Fireball Catback H&R Race Drop, KYB AGX 4 way adjustable Shocks 00 GSR Wheels in Goodyear GS-D F1s Skunk2 Upper Control Arms EBP paint 1996 Civic CX Hatch - R.I.P Dec. 26, 2002

12-08-2003, 04:25 PM	#17
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	__________________

12-08-2003, 05:16 PM	#18
ScrapinSi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,283 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 48	If you count the fact that I fly at least 1-2 times a month... And that I used to be big into planes when I was younger. EDIT: And btw... I also agree with your statements on the fuel pressure that will be needed... But it isn't that difficult... After all, MD makes planes with the 3rd engine mounted in the aft of the plane, above the fuselage. __________________ this country is turning into a bunch of fucking pussies... if this keeps up, pretty soon we'll be singing the french national anthem. -E_SolSi

12-19-2003, 02:00 AM	#22
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	coooooooollll __________________

12-19-2003, 02:04 AM	#23
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	I think I just messed my pant's.... __________________

12-19-2003, 02:43 AM	#24
TurboMirage Running on two cylinders Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southbridge, MA Age: 25 Posts: 18,155 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer RPW E5 Coupe Rep Power: 337	nice video. __________________ Home of the RPW built 2000 Lancer CC Coupe. See what is done to the little Evo5. "If you don't like what I've done with my car, I will gladly refund all the money you put into it."

12-19-2003, 03:32 AM	#25
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	and it has clear corners.......stock...hehe TEZZZZZzzzzaaaasssss!!! __________________

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