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SolPWR · 12-10-2003, 03:28 AM

My friend has this insane idea of making an open air race car (MR). We were discussing on what type of engine to use. I suggested to use the D series cause were looking to get about 120hp but keep it light!(1200-1600lbs) He wants to use some motorcycle engine but im not to sure on that one or like a cheapo geo storm engine. He said with the moto engine you create some sort of gear on the axle and use the entire engine and tranny mounted in the back?!?
Ok heres my questions,
1. Would a motorcycle engine work?
2. How much does a D16z6 weigh?
3. Is there any other light engine out there that can produce about 120hp?

Thanks for the help and I hope this project sees the daylight!

Airjockie · 12-10-2003, 03:42 AM

D15A3 (1st gen CRX) with dual 40-45 mm weber side draft's

or add a small turbo.....

djyox · 12-10-2003, 03:51 AM

sounds like you guys need to get into karting, they have an expirment class that you just take a shifter frame and can put anything on as long as its no bigger than a 400cc, but if you guys are just building something for fun, then cool deal, there are tons of classes, I forget there is one that uses toyota 4 bangers in an indy style cart. but good luck with your project, keep us posted if I were you I would just swing by the junk yard and see what they got laying around, keep your eye out for a cheap 4 banger that runs and then drop it in, slap a baby turbo on it, and you should be able to get 120 out of her with a little tweeking, but if you ask me, the motor is the least of your worrys, I would first be worrying about frame and drivetrain

pissedoffsol · 12-10-2003, 04:50 AM

yamaha 1000cc

fuck a d-seires

simplyfast · 12-10-2003, 11:39 AM

i found a suzuki gsxr 1000 in the desert, too bad some dumb ass shot the head, fuckin it up for good. my friend and i were thinkin of making a shifter kart with that engine...it would have been bad ass!

E_SolSi · 12-10-2003, 12:28 PM

you need a lightweight engine
get a rotary

2000Si · 12-10-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by E_SolSi@Dec 10 2003, 12:28 PM
you need a lightweight engine
get a rotary

and then try to find a transmission to hook it up to. <_<

TommyTheCat · 12-10-2003, 12:38 PM

There are adapter plates (well, no shit; but actually in stock) for all sorts of VW trannies.

jiahanhao · 12-10-2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TommyTheCat@Dec 10 2003, 12:38 PM
There are adapter plates (well, no shit; but actually in stock) for all sorts of VW trannies.

vw makes rotaries?

and Fear and Loathing = gonzo drug use!

:P

E_SolSi · 12-10-2003, 01:41 PM

no .... what he is saying is that for most non-honda engines you can get adapter plates to fit just about any other tranny you want FWD or RWD

jiahanhao · 12-10-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by E_SolSi@Dec 10 2003, 01:41 PM
no .... what he is saying is that for most non-honda engines you can get adapter plates to fit just about any other tranny you want FWD or RWD

ahhh...
now i see

dohch22a4 · 12-10-2003, 01:51 PM

Fear and Loathing is probably one of my favorite movies of all time. Up there with The Big Lebowski and Snatch. Sorry for post whoring.

SolPWR · 12-10-2003, 03:41 PM

He wants to make a custom frame cause he just learned how to weld and feels better doing it from scratch. We really dont want to use turbo in this. Hes pretty much the mastermind of this project im just there to learn but feedback from others is nice. How would the motorcycle engine work? Im still confused and my friends drawings look like a fourth grader did it. Would that gear idea work?

Oh yeah whats with the adapter plates? It confused me so much! What goeas on what?

MikeBergy · 12-10-2003, 04:32 PM

Check this out
http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issue...ulahayabusa.htm

These are the sickest things I've ever seen, and I'm gonna build a scaled down version of this that I can drive on the road, fully enclosed cockpit.

NoJokE · 12-10-2003, 04:32 PM

A Hayabusa motor would be best, 1300 cc's.

I knew of a site that sold conversion kits for the Hayabusa motor to go into an Elise, but i forgot it.

E_SolSi · 12-10-2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeBergy@Dec 10 2003, 04:32 PM
Check this out
http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/issue...ulahayabusa.htm

These are the sickest things I've ever seen, and I'm gonna build a scaled down version of this that I can drive on the road, fully enclosed cockpit.

kinda like one of these???

MikeBergy · 12-10-2003, 04:42 PM

No, with a bubble cockpit, kind of like the fully fared bicycle they use for speed records. The lines are going to be real smooth. I'm going to get a smaller motor too, so I can be classified as streetlegal. More for commuting than for racing. I'm going to go for 150 mpg, going 65-70.

K2e2vin · 12-10-2003, 05:17 PM

almost any sport bike 600-1000cc motor would work. there are some turbo kits for the motors on sport bike, those would help get you to or over 120hp. if you want to keep it lightweight, dont use a car motor. the transmission on a d-series is probally twice or more as heavy as a motorcyle transmission(plus most sport bike trannys are 6-spd vs. honda 5 spd.). also the transmission on car motors are usually h-patterns vs. sequential on motorcylces.

asmallsol · 12-10-2003, 06:29 PM

Have you ever heard of Formula SAE for colleges? Here they use a CRB 600 engine and then build a open wheeled car around it. I belive that they use the stock transmission and just make it a live axle.

SolPWR · 12-10-2003, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by asmallsol@Dec 10 2003, 06:29 PM
Have you ever heard of Formula SAE for colleges? Here they use a CRB 600 engine and then build a open wheeled car around it. I belive that they use the stock transmission and just make it a live axle.

??? more info

Calesta · 12-10-2003, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SolPWR+Dec 10 2003, 07:46 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SolPWR @ Dec 10 2003, 07:46 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-asmallsol@Dec 10 2003, 06:29 PM
Have you ever heard of Formula SAE for colleges? Here they use a CRB 600 engine and then build a open wheeled car around it. I belive that they use the stock transmission and just make it a live axle.

??? more info [/b][/quote]
Yup. The current formula car sitting downstairs in the SAE garage is set up like this.

TommyTheCat · 12-10-2003, 08:16 PM

I was saying that adapter plates are kinda uncommon but custom (i.e. the "no shit" comment), but you can specifically get from a company an adapter for the rotary(13B, maybe 12A) to vw tranny. Not a new custom fab or anything, it's been done before and proven reliable. Try searching rx7club.com for it. Godd community.

And the adapter plate just goes between the engine and the tranny, you bolt the motor to the plate with holes in the motor's config and then bolt on the tranny with holes for it's configuration.

SolPWR · 12-11-2003, 12:41 AM

would the power out do the weight of the D series? cause you can make a lot more power with that engine than we have planned and they are just everywhere and parts are sooo cheap! Everyone is getting rid of their D's for B's. I love the "Dirty D"

I found a list of engine weights and the GM 2.2L is like 250lbs bare so the honda 1.6 must be around 200lbs with tranny 80lbs more and the cooling + others ~70lbs 350lbs my guess. can anyone confirm this?

chassis & body 700lbs, engine 350lbs, Suspension 120lbs, Seat & Accs 70lbs, Driver 150-175lbs, TOTAL incld driver 1390 w/ ~120whp = "pretty fast"

My sol had 120whp and had 1000lbs more and did very well!

E_SolSi · 12-11-2003, 12:49 AM

use the engine off a snow mobile
a friend of mine had one with a polaris 650(?) and it fuckin flew

hcivic.com · 12-11-2003, 12:53 AM

try an aircraft motor.
no dissy no alt no batt after you start it no rad nedded

12-10-2003, 03:28 AM	#1
SolPWR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 924 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	My friend has this insane idea of making an open air race car (MR). We were discussing on what type of engine to use. I suggested to use the D series cause were looking to get about 120hp but keep it light!(1200-1600lbs) He wants to use some motorcycle engine but im not to sure on that one or like a cheapo geo storm engine. He said with the moto engine you create some sort of gear on the axle and use the entire engine and tranny mounted in the back?!? Ok heres my questions, 1. Would a motorcycle engine work? 2. How much does a D16z6 weigh? 3. Is there any other light engine out there that can produce about 120hp? Thanks for the help and I hope this project sees the daylight! __________________ Sold my sol to the devil!!! not really just a friend who thinks hes the devil Now driving Suzi, My 05 Suzuki Aerio SX

12-10-2003, 03:42 AM	#2
Airjockie Watanabe Whore!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meriden, CT, USA Age: 37 Posts: 10,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: datsuns & Subarus Rep Power: 217	D15A3 (1st gen CRX) with dual 40-45 mm weber side draft's or add a small turbo..... __________________

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djyox Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 982 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	sounds like you guys need to get into karting, they have an expirment class that you just take a shifter frame and can put anything on as long as its no bigger than a 400cc, but if you guys are just building something for fun, then cool deal, there are tons of classes, I forget there is one that uses toyota 4 bangers in an indy style cart. but good luck with your project, keep us posted if I were you I would just swing by the junk yard and see what they got laying around, keep your eye out for a cheap 4 banger that runs and then drop it in, slap a baby turbo on it, and you should be able to get 120 out of her with a little tweeking, but if you ask me, the motor is the least of your worrys, I would first be worrying about frame and drivetrain __________________ -Nick

12-10-2003, 11:39 AM	#5
simplyfast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 111 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	i found a suzuki gsxr 1000 in the desert, too bad some dumb ass shot the head, fuckin it up for good. my friend and i were thinkin of making a shifter kart with that engine...it would have been bad ass! __________________ <span style=\'color:gray\'>A stock B16A runnin 24 lbs of boost? Egad, how does he do it? -what the bitches snicker It's a little thing I like to call "overlap." -quiets the pepboys mechanics</span> <span style=\'color:blue\'>It's called left coast represent.</span>

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12-10-2003, 03:41 PM	#13
SolPWR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 924 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	He wants to make a custom frame cause he just learned how to weld and feels better doing it from scratch. We really dont want to use turbo in this. Hes pretty much the mastermind of this project im just there to learn but feedback from others is nice. How would the motorcycle engine work? Im still confused and my friends drawings look like a fourth grader did it. Would that gear idea work? Oh yeah whats with the adapter plates? It confused me so much! What goeas on what? __________________ Sold my sol to the devil!!! not really just a friend who thinks hes the devil Now driving Suzi, My 05 Suzuki Aerio SX

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NoJokE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,317 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 27	A Hayabusa motor would be best, 1300 cc's. I knew of a site that sold conversion kits for the Hayabusa motor to go into an Elise, but i forgot it. __________________ T3T67 <a href=\"http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69573\" target=\"_blank\">Buy my MSD 6AL, Carsound Cat, VTEC Distributor!</a> <a href=\"http://ipods.freepay.com/?r=11169222\" target=\"_blank\">Sign up for a Free Ipod!</a>

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K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,358 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	almost any sport bike 600-1000cc motor would work. there are some turbo kits for the motors on sport bike, those would help get you to or over 120hp. if you want to keep it lightweight, dont use a car motor. the transmission on a d-series is probally twice or more as heavy as a motorcyle transmission(plus most sport bike trannys are 6-spd vs. honda 5 spd.). also the transmission on car motors are usually h-patterns vs. sequential on motorcylces. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

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asmallsol Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houghton/Livonia Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 8,101 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 del Sol Gas sipper Rep Power: 101	Have you ever heard of Formula SAE for colleges? Here they use a CRB 600 engine and then build a open wheeled car around it. I belive that they use the stock transmission and just make it a live axle. __________________ Collin Material Science and Engineering Michigan Technological University

12-10-2003, 08:16 PM	#22
TommyTheCat Gonzo Scientist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 24 Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 96 Ford Escort Rep Power: 36	I was saying that adapter plates are kinda uncommon but custom (i.e. the "no shit" comment), but you can specifically get from a company an adapter for the rotary(13B, maybe 12A) to vw tranny. Not a new custom fab or anything, it's been done before and proven reliable. Try searching rx7club.com for it. Godd community. And the adapter plate just goes between the engine and the tranny, you bolt the motor to the plate with holes in the motor's config and then bolt on the tranny with holes for it's configuration. __________________ Tommythecat had many a story to tell, but it was a rare occasion, such as this, that he did. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://www.woostercollective.com/

12-11-2003, 12:41 AM	#23
SolPWR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MA Posts: 924 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	would the power out do the weight of the D series? cause you can make a lot more power with that engine than we have planned and they are just everywhere and parts are sooo cheap! Everyone is getting rid of their D's for B's. I love the "Dirty D" I found a list of engine weights and the GM 2.2L is like 250lbs bare so the honda 1.6 must be around 200lbs with tranny 80lbs more and the cooling + others ~70lbs 350lbs my guess. can anyone confirm this? chassis & body 700lbs, engine 350lbs, Suspension 120lbs, Seat & Accs 70lbs, Driver 150-175lbs, TOTAL incld driver 1390 w/ ~120whp = "pretty fast" My sol had 120whp and had 1000lbs more and did very well! __________________ Sold my sol to the devil!!! not really just a friend who thinks hes the devil Now driving Suzi, My 05 Suzuki Aerio SX

12-11-2003, 12:53 AM	#25
hcivic.com Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Calgary Alberta canada Posts: 4,577 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 59	try an aircraft motor. no dissy no alt no batt after you start it no rad nedded

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