pissedoffsol

WHOS COMING WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCKING PAUL VAN DYK MOTHER BISHES!!!!!!!!

http://www.avalonboston.com/main.jsp?p=vie...e.jsp%3Fid%3D19

i so wanna fucking go to this......... but everyone i know thinks trance is

BodyDroppedNikes

trance...techno...all sounds the same to me. oh and shouldnt this be in the events section?? hehe

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vtecsir1

pvd rocks imo, im too far away from boston sorry.


van dyk has a much different sound then most of the dj's, his songs normaly get remixed and fuked up and thats what you hear on the radio.

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pissedoffsol

mother fucker. thats like saying metal all sounds the same. all it has is some dude screaming and guitars all distored

most of the shit you've heard is generic radio bullshit. that is NOT TRANCE! DJ SAMMY CAN EAT MY LEFT NUT. i hate the fact that everyone thinks that shit. </rant>

anyway, if anyone is in the boston/ct/ny/ area or even further and wants to drive up, i REALLY want to go to this... bad. avalon has been rated the best club in the US 3 years in a row on the las vegas conventions and shit.. it should be fucking hot.

BodyDroppedNikes

well ive been to a few raves and to ME the shit sounds the same.

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vtecsir1

all music sounds the same in its genre. punk sounds like punk, rock like rock and so on.

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dveit

dude!!! i would SOO be there.

but boston is really far from here

I've seen him live and its a fuckin crazy experience. He was playing locally for 2 nights in a row, and i loved it so much i went and saw him again.

I bet your excited!

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pissedoffsol

excited? I have no one to fucking go with me!!!!!!!!!!

come up for the weekend ride the Duk- you'll get here in 2 hours. lol

Calesta

Ooh... that would be uber cool.

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HatchSpeeD

I'm from bean-town, but not really into techno.
I may be down though...I know I gotta work on the 30th...we'll see.

pissedoffsol

get your ass up here mike that would be ill.

if your not into techno, who cares. im not either. Dyk spins Trance

dveit

Honstly, I would get a bus ticket and go up there and see the show with you just because how good Van Dyk is live, but... I have to take an 8-hour driving class on the 30th from 11-7pm or else my license gets suspended.

What a great way to spend a saturday, eh?

Plus the face that i've already spent enough money on van dyk in the last 3 months.

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Pay for my ticket.

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HatchSpeeD

Whats the difference between trance & techno?

pissedoffsol

thats like asking whats the difference between rock and roll and punk

kyleirwin

, i'm not knockin' it... i just seriously don't know what the difference is. isn't it all just "uns uns uns uns uns uns un un uns uns uns....."?

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pissedoffsol

you have no idea. lol

trance is nothing like techno, or drum and bass, or jungle, or goa, or psy, or any of the other generes

dveit

i love goa shizz!

infected mushroom are one of my favorites.

that shits crazy when your trippin on shrooms

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The diff is that trance has a kind of musicality that can't even be matched by many other genres of music--IMHO it rivals classical music in that it is as complex as it is simple.

Techno is headache-inducing repetitive music that really isn't very popular anymore. Download artists like KlubKraft of Polarium for examples. Techno has little variance, and is basically composed of a percussion line that doesn't vary throughout the entire song (usually bassdrum-hihat-bassdrum-hihat, the unh-tiss-unh-tiss-unh-tiss-unh-tiss that most people associate with electronica in general). It's got a bassline that usually isn't composed of more than 2 notes, and is played very loudly, and a very electronic melody line, often spanning less than an octave. Techno can generally be made in a 6 track mixing machine, because of the lack of depth. It is sometimes overlayed with synthesized lyrics or stupid phrases.

If you listen to trance after reading that description, you will definitely hear the difference. Trance music is rarely mixed with fewer than 24 tracks. It has varying beat structures, layered melodies often using plucked string instruments or piano/piano-clones. The bass line generally follows the melody wherever it goes, staying within an octave for the most part. And importantly, trance music always has a harmony, usually a synthesized warm string pad (a synth violin, viola, cello, or perhaps a combination), that complements the melody. It is repetitive perhaps only in its lyrics, because when listening to a trance song, you can generally hear peaks and valleys in the strength of the music which add variety to the song. Instruments are often pulled out of the song one by one until only one remains and then are fed back in as slowly, for a roller coaster kind of effect. The lyrics are usually tracked to the melody and are often sung by an airy, angelic female voice. If you really listen to a trance song, you can pick up the emotion that the artist is trying to convey. Good examples throughout the spectrum of trance include 'It's My Turn' by Angelic, 'Don't Give Up' by Chicane, 'Carte Blanche' by Veracocha, 'Greece 2000' by Three Drives, most PVD songs (I love 'The Riddle', even though they played it on MTV), Matt Darey remixes, Tillmann Uhrmacher...there's a lot.

Cliffs: Trance > Techno

dveit

WERD!!!

Very nice post man, describes it in much deatail and very intrequetly.

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Are you sure thats a PVD song? I mean, unless he remixed it.

Cause I know Gigi D'Agostino spun "The Riddle"?

Hmmmm.

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'Tell Me Why (The Riddle)'
Sorry, the PVD and St Etienne song

djextremity

And thanks, I spend a lot of time defending the kind of music I really love...just like people trashtalk Oasis, but I don't have enough good things to say about Oasis. (Most) Trance music has a way of gripping you real tight if you let it.

tymasterflex

hell yeah dude, i try to defend it to people but i could never go into the detail you just did. i usually just get frustrated and tell them to eat a dick!

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Originally posted by deedrah@ Trance has been evoluting in so many different directions now ,that it would be very hard to give any definition to this sound.originaly Trance music was coming from Germany(91/92) but fast some artists like juno reactor started to carry on with more sounds and developpments.I would say that,as far as I know,vision of the trance is very different from country to another...People in Israel don't expect the same music from a trance DJ than is the states or japan for example.(that's maybe why being a trance DJ is so interesting nowadays! by now now trance is mainly divided into 2 separate movement: -The sasha kind-of -style trance ,that's a mix between fluffy belgium club house and early trance style.very powerfull at the moment. -The psy-trance,that's the style that is the daughter of the first goa trance vibe,called the big wave,containing artists we all know,psychaos,gms,absolum...this is the following of the original psy-trance. if I wanted to give a more personal definition to trance,I would say that it s any sound sequences that induces a pro-opio-melanocortine(POMC) production in my brain.pomc is a precursor of the molecules that makes you naturally feel good. (sorry, this is my very personal definition...)

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History Of Trance-Music
Perhaps the most ambiguous genre in the realm of electronic dance music , trance could be described as a melodic, more-or-less freeform style of music derived from techno. Or house. Maybe both. Regardless, to many club-goers, party-throwers, and EDM adherents, trance is held as a significant development within the greater sphere of (post-)modern dance music.


The Early Nineties
As a genre, trance is said to have begun as an off-shoot of techno in German clubs during the early 1990s. The name derived in 1991 from a project of Dag Lerner (DJ Dag) and Rolf Ellmer (Jam El Mar) called Dance2Trance. Their song "We Came In Peace" also set the original definition of trance music, a drawn out and monotonous pattern with a short but repeating voice sample. The sound was meant to work hypnotic to the listeners. Arguably a fusion of techno and house, early trance shared much with techno in terms of the tempo and rythmic structures but also added more melodic overtones which were appropriated from the style of house popular in Europe's club scene at that time. (Interestingly enough, that style of house was referred to as "club" or "Euro.") However, the melodies in trance differed from Euro/club in that although they tended to be emotional and uplifting, they did not "bounce around" in the same way that house did. This early trance tended to be characterized by the anthemic qualities described above, and typically involved a break-down portion of the song in which the beat was dropped for a few bars to focus on the melody before bringing the beat back with a renewed intensity. The sounds used in trance tended to be produced by analog synthesizers (or recently, digital simulations of analog synthesizers, often called virtual analog synthesizers, with lush "strings" providing the basis for the melodies and pads, while similar analog equipment was used to produce basic bass notes and the regimented "four-on-the-floor" drum loops. This style became instantly popular in Europe and spread very quickly. Before long, trance was spawning sub-genres such as dream trance, acid trance, hard trance, and goa. (NOTE: Goa and psy-trance are arguably older, with their characteristic sounds purportedly emerging in Israel as far back as 1991.)

The Mid Nineties
By the mid-1990s, trance had emerged commercially as one of the dominant genres of dance music. Immensely popular, trance found itself filling a niche as edgier than house, more soothing than drum-n-bass, and more accessible than techno. By this time, trance had become synonymous with progressive house and both genres essentially subsumed each other under the commercial banner of "progressive." Artists like Brian Transeau (BT), Paul Van Dyk, Ferry Corsten Art Of Trance and Underworld came to the forefront as premier producers and remixers, bringing with them the emotional, "epic" feel of the style. Meanwhile, DJs like Paul Oakenfold, Sasha, and John Digweed were championing the sound in the clubs and through the sale of pre-recorded mixes. By the end of the 1990s, trance remained commercially huge but had fractured into an extremely diverse genre. Some of the artists that had helped create the trance sound in the early and mid-1990s were, by the end of the decade, branching out with more experimental work (artists of particular note here are BT and Underworld, the latter of which was defunct by 1998). Perhaps as a consequence, similar things were happening with the DJs as well; for example, Sasha and Digweed, who together had helped bring the progressive sound to the forefront, all but abandoned it by 2000, instead spinning a darker mix of the rising "deep trance" style (as marked by the duo's 2000 release, "Communicate").

The Present
At present (and as alluded to earlier), trance is as much about who plays the music as it is about what it sounds like. Many artists described as producing a very powerful trance sound (e.g., Underworld's "Cowgirl" from 1994 remains a floor-filler) have most recently released tracks more suggestive of techno (Underworld's "Moaner" from 1998); DJs like John Digweed, known for spinning scintillating trance anthems in 1996, turn to a darker, housier sound in 2000. All the while, new artists and DJs enter the fold, either taking over the vacancies left in the anthemic, "progressive" arena (e.g., Tïesto and ATB), or else introducing new forms, modes, and themes (e.g., Sander Kleinenberg and Steve Lawler).
For more concrete examples, check out any number of purported trance compilations; perhaps the most highly recommendable source would be the Global Underground series (http://www.globalunderground.co.uk), including its "Nubreed" sub-series, because it captures the diversity of the genre as expressed through many of its brightest DJ talents. Also recommended as source material would be the Tranceport/Perfecto Presents... series, any of Sasha & Digweed's Northern Exposure mixes, and any of the mixes in the Renaissance series.
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