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VTECin5th · 09-26-2005, 10:13 AM

okie dokie, so i work at an aluminum place.
We make Mag Flashlights, the little giant ladders, patio furniture, piping 44954395843 lil beds for the hurricane people this month etc etc.
I deal with all the raw end materials, and very rarely see any finished products.
That sentence was not relevant, what i am wondering is:
Is Aluminum the standard choice for IC piping?
Does anyone know a good OD and Wall spec for it?
I want to do some ... 'lookin around'
and see if we have a die already made, and i may be able to get some IC piping pressed out for ub3r cheap.
Is it typically expensive anyways?
Sorry i suck at google today

... was that a coincidence that the little giant ad was up top right after i posted this?

Google > *^*

endlesszeal · 09-26-2005, 10:14 AM

i believe the "good ones" are mandrel bent steel. not sure.

pissedoffsol · 09-26-2005, 10:14 AM

aluminized steel is common... i dont know if running straight 6061-t6 or another 7076 style aluminum would be worth the cost. aluminum is far more expensive than steel...

VTECin5th · 09-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Thanks, now I'm wondering if it would be preferred to use Aluminum tho?
I can press out 6061 or 6063, but I'm wondering if i got it cheap enough if people would actually want to buy it instead of steel?

EGProject · 09-26-2005, 10:20 AM

Aluminum is also a bitch to weld. FYI.

Battle Pope · 09-26-2005, 10:21 AM

I'm sure aluminum would be preferred if not for the cost.

pissedoffsol · 09-26-2005, 10:27 AM

alum. is light, plenty strong for a charge pipe, and doesn't need to be welded for chanrge pipe applications. t-bolt clamps are plenty fine for 99% of turbo users... welding is really only needed for 700 hp cars and up

VTECin5th · 09-26-2005, 10:27 AM

I didn't know aluminum was a bitch to weld, our maintenance department welds aluminum bars to EVERY FUCKING THING in the building to keep it together.
But how much IC piping is needed in feet; for one car?
What Outer Diameter and wall thickness?
I was thinkin maybe 1/16th for the wall.. but OD i dunno?

VTECin5th · 09-26-2005, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Sep 26 2005, 09:27 AM
alum. is light, plenty strong for a charge pipe, and doesn't need to be welded for chanrge pipe applications. t-bolt clamps are plenty fine for 99% of turbo users... welding is really only needed for 700 hp cars and up

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... (Thanks)

Battle Pope · 09-26-2005, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VTECin5th@Sep 26 2005, 07:27 AM
I didn't know aluminum was a bitch to weld, our maintenance department welds aluminum bars to EVERY FUCKING THING in the building to keep it together.
But how much IC piping is needed in feet; for one car?
What Outer Diameter and wall thickness?
I was thinkin maybe 1/16th for the wall.. but OD i dunno?

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it takes a lot of skill to weld aluminum properly.

And you can't just take a blanket measurement on "how much pipe" for a particular car. it depends on the car, turbo placement, intercooler size and placement, and intake manifold/throttle body.

pissedoffsol · 09-26-2005, 11:55 AM

welding alumn. is a bitch, because it doesn't glow red when it gets hot. so all of a sudden, you melt right through and scrap the pipe...

Celerity · 09-26-2005, 11:56 AM

you can actually braize Aluminum, which is essentially closer to gluing it than welding it.

Hurricane victims get aluminum beds ? Hmm.. Interesting.

VTECin5th · 09-26-2005, 12:00 PM

Yep, a company i only know as Reyes [possible government conspiracy thread coming] is asking for .5million lbs for this month.
It gets cut down into 20? inch sticks which are then used for cotts for shelters and such.
Not nice beds

I guess i shouldn't try to extrude IC pipes then

hondarin · 09-26-2005, 05:32 PM

i think you should do it. aluminum is better than steel b/c of heat properties. as far as length goes, get some string, take some measurements, and get at least 10% more than you come up with.

hcivic.com · 09-27-2005, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Sep 26 2005, 08:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pissedoffsol @ Sep 26 2005, 08:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>welding alumn. is a bitch, because it doesn't glow red when it gets hot. so all of a sudden, you melt right through and scrap the pipe...

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you can actually braize Aluminum, which is essentially closer to gluing it than welding it.

Hurricane victims get aluminum beds ? Hmm.. Interesting.

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tig welding is actually welding both base metals are meteld then a fille rod is added and if you blow through just fill weld it

VTECin5th · 09-27-2005, 09:32 AM

I think B squashed the whole 'need to weld' IC piping anyways....
I work 3rd shift, so i have to wait until at least friday before i will see anyone to ask them about this shioot.

VTECin5th · 10-07-2005, 07:09 PM

/post resurrection.
So i did do some 'talking' yesterday.
If i can find a die in the die shop, that is similar/exact size i can use it to produce the aluminum pipes.
I can choose to have it aged, or not, probly best to have it aged.
Anodization is also an option which would raise the price considerably, harden the metal even more, and would probly be a nice way to rack up money on spoiled kids who have to have gold IC piping.
Apparently our tube mill has problems with bending aged material, and we don't age bent material.
Awesome.
Fortunately there is a place we do deals with JW welding and steel, who im sure i can cut a deal with blah blah blah.
In the case i do need a die, it will be between $1800-2200 depending on specs/complexity.
I must run at least 2,000lbs per order.
For a 3inch (?) by 1/16th(?) wall pipe, that is a shitload of IC piping.
Not sure of a price until i can come up with the die sizes i need.
It's cheaper to have them run several long pipes, and cut them myself, or maybe contract JW to do it while they make the bends.
Can someone with an intercooler measure the wall thickness and the diameter of the piping please?
I understand they may vary, so i'm looking for a 'standard' size, if one exists.
thanks.

92civicb18b1 · 10-07-2005, 07:23 PM

2.5" OD and 1/16 would be fine, unless it's a 4-500 hp car, then maybe 2.75-3" OD.

VTECin5th · 10-07-2005, 07:30 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(92civicb18b1 @ Oct 7 2005, 06:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
2.5" OD and 1/16 would be fine, unless it's a 4-500 hp car, then maybe 2.75-3" OD.
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thanks, i'll have to see what we have... laying around in the die shop.
Any idea on bends? 2 U bends and 12 feet of straight pipes? (broken down into smaller pieces of course)
Wow, this is goin to be weird, i need a turbo+IC.
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img]

09-26-2005, 10:13 AM	#1
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	okie dokie, so i work at an aluminum place. We make Mag Flashlights, the little giant ladders, patio furniture, piping 44954395843 lil beds for the hurricane people this month etc etc. I deal with all the raw end materials, and very rarely see any finished products. That sentence was not relevant, what i am wondering is: Is Aluminum the standard choice for IC piping? Does anyone know a good OD and Wall spec for it? I want to do some ... 'lookin around' and see if we have a die already made, and i may be able to get some IC piping pressed out for ub3r cheap. Is it typically expensive anyways? Sorry i suck at google today ... was that a coincidence that the little giant ad was up top right after i posted this? Google > ^ __________________ k20dc5

09-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#4
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	Thanks, now I'm wondering if it would be preferred to use Aluminum tho? I can press out 6061 or 6063, but I'm wondering if i got it cheap enough if people would actually want to buy it instead of steel? __________________ k20dc5

09-26-2005, 10:27 AM	#8
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	I didn't know aluminum was a bitch to weld, our maintenance department welds aluminum bars to EVERY FUCKING THING in the building to keep it together. But how much IC piping is needed in feet; for one car? What Outer Diameter and wall thickness? I was thinkin maybe 1/16th for the wall.. but OD i dunno? __________________ k20dc5

09-26-2005, 12:00 PM	#13
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	Yep, a company i only know as Reyes [possible government conspiracy thread coming] is asking for .5million lbs for this month. It gets cut down into 20? inch sticks which are then used for cotts for shelters and such. Not nice beds I guess i shouldn't try to extrude IC pipes then __________________ k20dc5

09-27-2005, 09:32 AM	#16
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	I think B squashed the whole 'need to weld' IC piping anyways.... I work 3rd shift, so i have to wait until at least friday before i will see anyone to ask them about this shioot. __________________ k20dc5


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endlesszeal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,068 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 68	i believe the "good ones" are mandrel bent steel. not sure.

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pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	aluminized steel is common... i dont know if running straight 6061-t6 or another 7076 style aluminum would be worth the cost. aluminum is far more expensive than steel...

09-26-2005, 11:55 AM	#11
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	welding alumn. is a bitch, because it doesn't glow red when it gets hot. so all of a sudden, you melt right through and scrap the pipe...

10-07-2005, 07:09 PM	#17
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	/post resurrection. So i did do some 'talking' yesterday. If i can find a die in the die shop, that is similar/exact size i can use it to produce the aluminum pipes. I can choose to have it aged, or not, probly best to have it aged. Anodization is also an option which would raise the price considerably, harden the metal even more, and would probly be a nice way to rack up money on spoiled kids who have to have gold IC piping. Apparently our tube mill has problems with bending aged material, and we don't age bent material. Awesome. Fortunately there is a place we do deals with JW welding and steel, who im sure i can cut a deal with blah blah blah. In the case i do need a die, it will be between $1800-2200 depending on specs/complexity. I must run at least 2,000lbs per order. For a 3inch (?) by 1/16th(?) wall pipe, that is a shitload of IC piping. Not sure of a price until i can come up with the die sizes i need. It's cheaper to have them run several long pipes, and cut them myself, or maybe contract JW to do it while they make the bends. Can someone with an intercooler measure the wall thickness and the diameter of the piping please? I understand they may vary, so i'm looking for a 'standard' size, if one exists. thanks. __________________ k20dc5

10-07-2005, 07:23 PM	#18
92civicb18b1 The Trisexual Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The asshole of the USA, New Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 8,874 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Civic, 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Rep Power: 122	2.5" OD and 1/16 would be fine, unless it's a 4-500 hp car, then maybe 2.75-3" OD. __________________ DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH QUESTIONS!!! Current Rides 1992 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab Previous 1992 Civic DX Hatch = 1994 B18B1 Turbo Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp 1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap 1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

10-07-2005, 07:30 PM	#19
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(92civicb18b1 @ Oct 7 2005, 06:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> 2.5" OD and 1/16 would be fine, unless it's a 4-500 hp car, then maybe 2.75-3" OD. [/b][/quote] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] thanks, i'll have to see what we have... laying around in the die shop. Any idea on bends? 2 U bends and 12 feet of straight pipes? (broken down into smaller pieces of course) Wow, this is goin to be weird, i need a turbo+IC. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] __________________ k20dc5

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