95b16coupe

he did a terrible thing for islamic people in america. doing shit like that makes you subject to discrimination and prejudice. i already get freaked out when i'm on the streets and see arabs with robes and head pieces on. the last thing i need is for these guys to go around shooting their own coworkers.

D16Civic

And this is the problem. Everybody is afraid of the muslims. The fact is that Islam is a very moderate and peaceful religion for the most part. Thinking otherwise is like saying all Catholics blow up abortion clinics.

E_SolSi

i keep hearing that... yet i also keep seeing examples to the contrary... usually without any speaking out or outrage from the islamic community
now in this case there is some speaking out from the islamic community... unfortunately it all seems to be based in their not wanting to catch any backlash for the acts this person carried out...

95b16coupe

unfortunately the reputation of many is burdened by one. just like NBA players, a couple guys do stupid shit, everybody thinks they are all thugs and gang bangers.

If the Islamic community wanted to denounce this image, they could. but instead they approach with an "it is what it is" attitude.

so now everybody thinks islamics want to blow up americans.

Drake

E and 95b16 both nailed it. Everytime somethin goes down you hear about a religious leader talking about backlash and that's about it. They say hey we arnt all like this when they should be working on cleaning out there ranks. I'm not talking about a witch hunt but they have to know who the more radical secs are.

its a very fine line but some times you have to apply occams razor. Which makes more sense? Pre-PTSD or a guy who wants to undermine the war effort in the middle east? That Newsweek article to me proves the later. But the facts are not all out and they never will be. But perception is reality. I don't think all Muslims are bad but I do acknowledge that some of them are horrible individuals

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D16Civic

just read where his mosque denounced his actions. as are my few muslim acquaintances.

SlushboxTeggy

Did anyone read the articles? It sounds like this dude was being picked on for being Muslim. Let's face it, the Army doesn't have MIT graduates in it's ranks. In my opinion, the dude got picked on, didn't feel like he was being treated like a real American/soldier, didn't want to go over seas and die for people who he felt didn't respect him. And he flipped out. Does that excuse his actions? Absolutely not. He's still a peace of shit. He targeted unarmed soldiers. Don't worry about him getting his. He did this in the great state of TEXAS! He's going to see the light. The one right above the switch on the chair.

I have a friend stationed at Ft. Hood. When I saw the news yesterday I immediately text him. Luckily he was not involved. But he also said that he was on lock down and had little information about what was going on. We exchanged what little info we had. Me from the news, him from his superiors.

Don't blame this on the war. Ft. Hood has a lot of soldiers who have seen combat overseas, the most of an US base, and this asshole wasn't one of them.

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jp_p5

Well when they do flip the switch, I hope they flip it then turn it off and just keep doing that for 15 to 20 minutes. They sould give every family member a chance at the switch for lets say 30 seconds a piece.

Drake

There is more going on here then him being picked on. Im not sure exactly what but it isnt just him being picked on.

klyph

Fort Hood suspect said his goodbyes before rampage - Yahoo! News

Obvious muslim extremist. Probable member of terrorist organization. Definite psycho.

SlushboxTeggy

So Arabic translate to terrorism now? This guy was a Muslim. But I don't think he was an Islamic extremist. I think he was a soldier who lost it, who also happen to be Muslim.

klyph

Shouting "God is great" before murdering people makes you a religious extremist. The fact that he used Arabic and referenced Allah, specifies his religion as Islam.

So yes, Muslim extremist (i.e. terrorist).

Drake

Im just not buying into this notion of PTSD by proxy. There is something more to this guy then him just loosing it.

B

deport them all (except taco... he's cool )

SlushboxTeggy

If you don't want to be tormented by the people you work with, don't surround yourself with a collection of GEDs and high school graduates.

Fuck this guy. If I was the part of the group that took him down, he wouldn't have been wounded.

95b16coupe

thats the point. he DIDN'T want to be around them. he used the army for a free college. he didn't want to go to war. he got called up and said "fuck this, i'm out" and went nuts.

he tried to repay the college so he could get out. he was just another pussy in the military that went for free college and didn't want to repay his commitment.

Drake

He could have gayed out of the Army. They cannot give you a dishonorable discharge for that. This guy had avenues to get out. I have a feeling he was either acting as a sleeper cell or disagreed with the war and decided he was going to take it upon himself to instill doubt as to our ability to manage our military.

either way this guy planned this out. He is nothing more than a pussy and a traitor.

Drake

On a slightly different note all of those involved in this incident be it killed or wounded had better recive full benifites. This was a domestic act of war in my opinion. If they do not consider these injurys a line of duty incident these people and their families are going to suffer even more.

95b16coupe

I agree with you 110%, on all thoughts.

he could have gotten out if he wanted to. hell, his punk bitch ass could have gotten on a plane to the mother land and never come back. nobody would have thought twice about it.

he hated the war and wanted to fight on the side he felt is right. waterboard this motherfucker until allah appears and saves him.

SlushboxTeggy

Anyone see Law Abiding Citizen?

Korax

And the fact that this guy went to the same mosque as some of the 911 highjackers and was lead at the time by a radical muslim extremist. Joined the army in a time of war (in the middle east) and yet didnt want to be a part of it. This dude had this in mind (or something similar) the entire time he has been in the military. There is no other way you can categorize this guy other than a damn terrorist.

Fuck diversity. I like people of all color/creed, but if you don't like the US and what it does/stands for then just get the fuck out, muslims/liberals/socialists/communists/illegals, all of you. Muslims should just be banned from the military.. I really don't care if it is "fair" or not. Stupid movie quote but truth none the less "We all must fear evil, but the evil we must fear the most is the indifference of good men". They don't want to stand up and Really denounce these issues as a community then I can't therefore believe that many of them are good people /end.

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klyph

I think we should ban everyone from joining the military.

Slammed89Integra

I believe its a blend of the PTSD by proxy and him being islamic.
He was a psychiatrist that worked on bases with veterans. He was the outlet for the veterans when they suffered from PTSD. If he suffered torment and verbal bullying for being a muslim, it probably attributed to him aligning himself with the islamic right. He on many occasions denounced the war and was warned to keep his opinion quiet. At that, I don't feel that he was necessarily aligned with an actual terrorist organization but was to the point where he felt that being ostracized, and the FEAR of iraq, pushed him to this sad cost.

He should die for this. It's horrible. People returning from combat and dealing with this. It's freaking horrible. Unfortunately the army isn't a smart organization and don't understand that outside of being a major, the soldier is still human and neglects that no kind of training ever gets rid of the feelings one feels. I really hope he gets the death penalty, and the soldiers get line of fire active duty benefits.








off topic. I hate doctor phil but this chick was hilarious. I heard it on the radio.

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95b16coupe

I disagree. he joined for a free education. he went to school via the army and probably had no desire to go to war. he probably had his thoughts on america, but didn't get radical until the war started.

basically just another douce who joined for free school, then went nuts when arabs started the holy war.

imho, he was just like the emo kids turned shooters. he was an outcast and wanted acceptance from a group. he found it by killing soldiers and claiming islam. it really could have been anything.

Drake

I am more inclined to agree with this assessment of the situation. Like I said earlier I know a guy who claimed he was gay to get out of the Army when we entered Afghanistan, oh and this was after he re-upped for 6 more years. Yet he still got all the benefits as someone else who honorably served their full term(s).

Also, am I the only one getting the vibe that a helluva lot of people want to spin this another way? Pre PTSD and all that? I mean the little bit of information that is out, the message board stuff admiring suicide bombers. Trying to contact terrorist cells and attending a place of worship that has extremist Imans to me screams Islamic Fundamentalist. But it seems that no one wants to look under that rock. Sure the guy may have been picked on but good lord he was a fucking Major. Your telling me he could get some nuts thrown in the ringer? Even more so in a time where the military is being watched like a hawk for any little case of discrimination?

I think that the chain of command should be investigated to see if anyone dropped the ball on their end that is for sure. But we need to turn over every rock including the one that has a big M on it.

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