reckedracing

So I'm sure most have heard about the israeli soldiers getting kidnapped and israels retaliation strikes
top of the news this morning was israels air strike on beiruit's intl airport...

on one hand i don't think these strikes are going to accomplish anything for them... but i cant help but thinking "these people fucked with the wrong country"
ie: fuck with israel and we're gonna blow shit up...

so should the US start doing the same?
we have soldiers kidnapped and basically just send out search parties to no avail

i also don't understand why there aren't 10 satelite over iraq capturing images so if something does happen we can go back, see who did it, then track them to their current location and blow them the fuck up...

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pissedoffsol

If we weren't allies with Israel, they probably would have bombed us by now.
Really, they are just as bad as terrorists, but they don't do it for religious reasons (well, most the time).

As for the satalites, you need to learn about orbits

Celerity

US Involvment in Muslim conflict is a geopolitical thing. For the Israelis this is a religious thing. Totally different viewpoints.

The US war is so hard to fight because a religion has declared war on us - not a country. It's going to take time before we can fight back to a religion, based on our religious tolerance in law and culture.

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Part of me has always thought that we don't belong in the middle east, but for way different reasons then most. I feel that Israel does a great job with their handling of the recent events.

For the nay sayers I will remind you that a state backed terrorist group in Lebanon invaded Israel, I N V A D E D another country.

How do you think the US would have reacted in the 60's if we were the size of California and were surrounded by the Soviet Union?

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reikoshea

B, do you think we dont have satellites over iraq, afghanistan, iran, saudi arabia and most likely israel. Ever heard of a geo-sync orbit. It means that the orbit of the satellite and the rotation of the earth match each other, so to a ground observer it would appear to be standing still.

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I say we send our religious nuts (and we have a lot of them) to go fight their religious nuts and broadcast the whole thing live on TV. Prime time.

Evangelical Christian wackos versus the Muslim Jihadists. We'll make a killing! Literally!

Helps to eradicate religious intolerance both here and abroad.

Also Cel, you got it wrong again. It's not a religion that has declared war on us, moreso a group of people that use religion to control their followers that has declared war on us. Much like Christians here use their religion to sway their followers to do certain things, they also do the same.

Religion in itself is just about useless these days. All it does is causes trouble.

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phyregod

The last thing Israel needs to be doing is pissing more people off.. They have 986859876 guns/missiles pointed at them as is.

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Sabz5150

And given their size, it would take... what, one nuke to write them off for the rest of time?

And yes, they are as bad as the terrorists.

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Sabz5150

News reports are showing that Israel has hit hundreds of targets in Lebanon in order to get those two soldiers released.

Our soldiers are kidnapped, beheaded, tortured, you name it... and we don't do much at all. Two Israeli soldiers are held alive and Israel blows up half a fuckin' country. What's more, even after all these attacks, these soldiers aren't being returned. It makes me wonder... there's something that Israel and its allies aren't saying about these two soldiers. Perhaps they either know or are carrying something that could be of some sort of "importance".

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pissedoffsol

pissedoffsol

oh, and did you catch this line?


i mean, for real?

Celerity

I can disagree with sabs on a fwe points, but the idea that Israel is not to be messed with - and that the US could take a play from this book - I agree with.

Islam DID declare war on not just the US, but on all Infidels. They did it back in the 60s, they continue today. The religion is lashing out, and the peaceful Islamists are far outweighed by the violent ones. FAR. Whereas violent and militant christians (of which you believe rule this country) are few and far between. (Yeah, all sorts of people are of the "lets kick some towel head ass" persuasion, but few actually pick up a weapon to do the deed. VERY few)

The differences between a geo-political war and a religious one is contrasted well in this. Israel has almost 100% support of kicking muzzy ass from it's people. They aren't concerned with rebuilding, peacemaking and politics. For them it's "The way it has to be".

As far as Israel being terrorist, again you're wrong. Yes, our perspective is very anti-israeli (They just continue to lob bombs into Palestine without reason or justification). Not true. Every attack to Palestine has been a match to an attack from Palestine. I'll get those figures if you want.

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phyregod

CNN.com - Bush concerned by Russia freedoms - Jul 13, 2006

Now we're telling russia what to do??? OMFG.

Hey, lets start the cold war back up, that was too fun last time! Russia, if anyone, needs to be on our side. They have the other half of the nukes. If korea decides to go apeshit on us, and we wipe korea.. and China decides to step in, We are going to NEED Russia.

Wow, WWIII imminent.

P.S. Israel's F-16's are teh hotness.

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reckedracing

i don't think there is anything special about these soldiers or the other one that was kidnapped...
israel has mandatory military service... which would account for one factor...
if israelis see the israeli army not taking extreme measures to get their soldiers back they may lose support and they also need to maintain an image of a middle eastern power not to be fucked with...

this is a touchy subject for me...
i think the creation of the "state of israel" was a complete fuck up from the beginning and its what caused most of the problems we see today
so i agree with the view of israel being on the "terrorist" side of the spectrum...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

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reckedracing

oh this is gonna get good

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ROFL!



Putin: 1
Cheney: 0



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yup. which is exaclty why i don't want to have kids. Don't want them to go through that shit.

reikoshea

yeah, this shit is starting to get real.

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This sounds like a job for...


TEAM AMERICA!!!! F*CK YEAH!

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Also, not that any one here has said this (I got in this conversation today with this cute little liberal) Israel did NOT "attack" Lebanon. They calculated a missile strike at a safe house in which held prisoners, or those linked to their prisoners. The attacks were not against Lebanese security...

... Until Lebanese security forces tossed those 2 missiles back. Now it's a war.

We attack prisoner-holding strongholds all the time, and we do it with air support. What Israel did is within conventions, and they have the technology to surgically strike targets of opportunity.

Israel doesn't take shit from terrorists - they've been down that road for too long. They realise the only success they've had is by keeping their pimp hand strong.

And the US DID learn from this. This is why when we got our first US Soil terrorist attack (9.11 if you need reminded) we behaved in the same way. We showed them that we don't take shit from no one. In fact, we conquered the countries that not only launched the terrorist cell, but those that aided them as well (I'll kill you and everyone you know)

Terrorist ultimatum? You bet. it's the only thing they are known to respond to (Observe the Iran prisoner events when Reagan was being sworn in.. He threatened to completely obliterate Iranian terrorities for these few hostages.)

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would you be refering to iraq? the same country that had no ties to the 9/11 attack?

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yeaaa.... israel responded to the 2 rockets by blowing up the airports fuel tank
lol

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Here is a little response I put together for "those times when someone argues that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11". I expect you to read all of this. There are links to over 1000 articles here. Any link you find to a decidedly "Conservative" website have within them the links to the Mainstream Media report. Nothing here is based on conjecture, nothing can be argued as "Total lies", because it's all reported by official news sources that can be recounted at any time.

So here it is, read it and weep, Moonbats.

The 90's:
Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing
June 28, 1993. The Wall Street Journal. Laurie Mylroie
"Saddam's Fingerprints on N.Y. Bombings" (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq.
November 4, 1998. The federal indictment
US Government - Bin Laden and Iraq Agreed to Cooperate on Weapons Development
Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned.
November 1998. The New York Times
US Government - Bin Laden and Iraq Agreed to Cooperate on Weapons Development
Saddam reaching out to OBL
January 1, 1999. Newsweek
1999 Newsweek: Saddam + Bin Laden? America's two enemies are courting.
ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections
January 14, 1999. ABC News
1999 ABC News Report : The Osama - Hussein Connection
Osama and Saddam Work Together
January 27, 1999. Laurie Mylroie interview. She is a former Clinton terrorism czar.
Bin Ladin and Iraq
A Much Shunned Terrorist Takes Refuge In Iraq (Abu Nidal)
New York Times. January 1999.
[NYT Flashback] A Much-Shunned Terrorist Is Said to Find Haven in Iraq
Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL.
February 6, 1999. The Guardian Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | The Western nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden versus the world
Saddam's Link to OBL
February 6, 1999. The Guardian
Saddam link to Bin Laden
Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden
February 13, 1999. Associated Press
1999 AP Flashback: Saddam has offered asylum to bin Laden
Son of Saddam coordinates with OBL.
Iraqi Special Ops coordinates with Bin Laden's terrorist activities.
August 6, 1999. Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
Qusay Hussein coordinated Iraq special operations with bin Laden's terrorist activities
List of newspaper articles written in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam.
FrontPage Magazine.
Bin Laden and Iraq
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties.
The Weekly Standard.
The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties


2001:
Fritz Hollings mentioned on the floor of the Senate that Iraq's state run newspaper knew exactly what was coming to the United States -- in July 2001 they published an article about it.
Fritz Hollings Connected Iraq To 9/11 [Who Woulda Thunk It]
Before 9/11 (August 2001?), Saddam put his military on the highest state of readiness since the first Gulf War, goes into a bunker with his two wives (who hated each other and had never before been housed together) and does not emerge until well after 9/11.
Transcript of Steven Hayes, Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews (911 and Iraq)
From the book: Saddam - King of Terror
The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda.
September 19, 2001. Jane's.
Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view
Iraq was in contact with Al Qaeda in the days preceeding 9/11 and thought to have sponsored the 911 attacks.
September 21, 2001. The Washington Times. Bill Gertz
IRAQ SUSPECTED OF SPONSORING TERRORIST ATTACKS
Bin Laden met Iraqi Agent.
September 28, 2001. The Miami Herald.
Bin Laden met Iraqi agent
German investigators link Iraq to anthrax attack.
October 26, 2001. Anova.
German investigators link bin Laden and Iraq with anthrax outbreak
Saddam behind first WTC attack.
October 18, 2001. Laurie Mylroie, Clinton anti-terrorism czar. PBS.
PBS - frontline: gunning for saddam: interviews: laurie mylroie
Hijacker given anthrax by Iraq
October 27, 2001. The Times.
Hijacker 'Given Anthrax Flask By Iraqi Agent'
The media certainly were pushing Iraq as being connected to AQ and possibly behind 9/11 shortly after September 11, 2001. A compilation of media comments and articles:
November 17, 2003
Press Reported Extensively on Iraq-9/11 Links
2002:
Salman Pak. Satellite discussion about the terror camps in Iraq.
January 7, 2002. Aviation Weekly.
Iraq's Tie to Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Airline Hijackings
Intercepted call links Saddam to AQ.
February 7, 2002. The Telegraph
Intercepted call linked Saddam to al-Qa'ida terror cell [CHECKMATE ALERT!!!]
Report linking anthrax and 9/11 hijackers is probed.
March 23, 2002. The New York Times.
Report Linking Anthrax and Hijackers Is Investigated
Osama met with Saddam in Iraq.
March 23, 2002. The Times of India
Saddam met Osama in Iraq: Report
Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons.
July 14, 2002. The Sunday Times.
Militia defector claims Baghdad trained Al-Qaeda fighters in chemical warfare
September 11 Victims Sue Iraq.
September 4, 2002. BBC.
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | 11 September victims sue Iraq
Families sue Iraq over 9/11. Thousands of 9/11 victims and family members sue Iraq based on evidence that Iraq knew the attacks were coming, approved the attacks, and supported Al Qaeda for a decade. The lawsuit also notes Iraq's involvement in the first WTC attack.
September 5, 2002. CBS.
Lawsuit: Iraq Involved In 9/11 Conspiracy - CBS News
Did Atta meet in Prague with an Iraqi government official?
June 19, 2002.
Mohammed Atta in Prague FAQ
Democrats insisted on a separate war resolution as it pertains to Iraq.
Their language that they inserted into the Iraqi war resolution mentions specifically that it is known that AQ is in Iraq.
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq(for harry)
Gephardt says lots of intelligence links OBL and Saddam.
October 6, 2002. Newsmax.
Gephardt: 'Lots Of' Intelligence Ties Iraq to Al Qaeda
Iraq War Resolution Demanded and Written and Signed by Democrats. Mentions how AQ is ALREADY IN IRAQ (despite the left trying to say the war drew AQ to Iraq)
October 2002.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_l aws&docid=fubl243.107
2003:
Colin Powell: Iraq and Al Qaeda were partners for years.
February 5, 2003. Colin Powell interview on CNN.
CNN.com - Al Qaeda, Iraq partners in terror -- Powell - Feb. 5, 2003
Freeper Republic Strategist's list of links between AQ and Iraq.
February 7, 2003
404 Not Found
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact.
February 10, 2003. The New Yorker.
The New Yorker: Fact
Australia PM has lots of information regarding Iraq/AQ connections.
March 14, 2003
PM declares 'solid evidence' of Iraq-link to al-Qaeda (Howard)
Spain links 9/11 suspect to Baghdad.
March 16, 2003. The Observer.
The Observer | International | Spain links suspect in 9/11 plot to Baghdad
The AQ connection to Iraq
April 12, 2003. The Weekly Standard The Al Qaeda Connection AND The Al Qaeda Connection, cont.
Saddam's regime linked to several religious extremist groups (including AQ).
April 17, 2003. The Daily Telegraph.
Saddam link to terror group
More evidence. Newspaper finds documents in Baghdad which directly prove the links between OBL and Saddam. The paperwork details meetings and when and where they occurred. Also found documents that Russia passed on to Iraq detailing private conversations between Blair and Italy's Berlusconi.
April 27, 2003. The Telegraph.
Telegraph | News | The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
June 1, 2003. Newsweek.
Wolfowitz Bombshell: Saddam Behind 9/11 Attacks and OKC Bombing
Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda.
June 20, 2003. Forward Magazine.
Oil for Food Sales Seen As Iraq Tie To Al Qaeda
A judge sees the documents linking OBL and Saddam.
June 25, 2003. The Tennessean.
Nashville, Tennessee - News-The Cost of Murder - Tennessean.com
The Al Qaeda Connection with Iraq.
July 11, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
The Al Qaeda Connection AND The Al Qaeda Connection, cont.
List of newspaper articles written in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam.
July 14, 2003. FrontPage Magazine.
Bin Laden and Iraq
Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link.
July 16, 2003. FrontPage Magazine.
Growing Evidence of a Saddam - al-Qaeda Link
What the administration said. And what they didn't use, but could have regarding the relationship between OBL and Saddam. The Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in '98 when his Islamic jihad merged with Al Qaeda.
September 1, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
Saddam's Al Qaeda Connection
Free Republic Thread that mentions books on this topic. Former CIA Director James Woolsey and other notables recommend these books as well.
September 6, 2003.
Laurie Mylorie and Peter Lance. Following the same path!
Memo shows Iraq contacted OBL.
September 12, 2003. The Washington Times.
Memo shows Iraq, Iran tried to contact bin Laden - The Washington Times: World
Vice President Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link
Al Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get training for terrorist activities. He mentions Iraq's involvement in the first WTC bombing in 1993.
September 15, 2003. Interview.
Cheney Lectures Russert on Iraq-9/11 Link
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it. Specific names of Al Qaeda terrorists working in and with Iraq
September 19, 2003. National Review.
James S. Robbins on Iraq & Terrorism on National Review Online
Iraq and AQ: A Federal Judge's Point of View
September 20, 2003
Iraq: A Federal Judge's Point of View By Judge Don Walters
Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and first WTC attack:
September 22, 2003. Newsweek.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Account Links 9/11 to '93 WTC Attack
Richard Miniter details the names and specific connections including the Iraqi who was involved in the first WTC bombing and lived in Iraq.
September 25, 2003. Richard Minister
The Iraq -- Al Qaeda Connections
The connection between Iraq and 9/11
Fox News. September 2003.
FOXNews.com - The Connection Between 9/11 and Iraq
Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore.
October 21, 2003. The National Review.
Saddam's Terror Ties - Iraq-war critics ignore ample evidence.
Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam.
November 3, 2003. The Weekly Standard
Osama's Best Friend: The further connections between al Qaeda and Saddam
Stephen Hayes book, The Intel Links OBL and Saddam.
November 15, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
FOXNews.com - Weekly Standard: Intel Report Links Saddam, Usama - U.S. & World
The media certainly were pushing Iraq as being connected to AQ and possibly behind 9/11 shortly after September 11, 2001. A compilation of media comments and articles:
November 17, 2003
Press Reported Extensively on Iraq-9/11 Links
Article with many links. How Saddam paid AQ to commit attacks against America.
November 17, 2003. FrontPage magazine.
FrontPage magazine.com :: The Memo and the Link Between Saddam and Osama by Lowell Ponte
Case Closed.
November 24, 2003. The Weekly Standard
Case Closed
The Terrorist behind 9/11 was trained by Saddam
December 14, 2003. The Telegraph.
Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam (New Iraqi PM Allawi)
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties.
December 29, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties

2004:
Saddam behind anthrax attacks?
January 1, 2004. Accuracy in Media.
Saddam Behind Anthrax Attacks?
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The support of the Iraqi regime for Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi native who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center building. Coalition forces found a document in Tikrit several months ago that indicates the former Iraqi regime has provided Yasin housing and a monthly stipend for nearly a decade.
January 2004. FrontPage magazine.
FrontPage magazine.com :: The Al-Qaeda/Saddam Link by Jamie Glazov
Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ
January 12, 2004. The New York Times.
Tape Shows General Clark Linking Iraq and Al Qaeda
Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda.
February 23, 2004, The Weekly Standard.
Saddam's Ambassador to al-Qaeda *(The Smoking Gun)*
Article details the number of terrorists who have attacked America in the past and taken refuge in Iraq. Loaded with interesting bullet points.
March 14, 2004. Scripps Howard News Service via NewsMax.
Report Details Saddam's Support for Terrorists Who Killed Americans
James Woolsey, former CIA Director, links Iraq and AQ. See also Posts #34 and #35.
March 23, 2004. CNN Interview
James Woolsey (Former CIA Director) Comments on Clarke + Ties between Iraq & AlQaeda (MUST READ!)
Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)
In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”
The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
March 28, 2004, NewsMax
Saddam Warned of WTC Attack Before 9/11, Praised Bin Laden Afterwards
Al Qaeda's Poison Gas
April 29,2 004. The Wall Street Journal
OpinionJournal - Featured Article
Saddam Linked to 9/11.
May 11, 2004. FrontPage Magazine. Laurie Mylroie, Clinton's anti-terrorism czar.
The Saddam-9/11 Link Confirmed
Bush says Zarqawi killed Berg. Cites Saddam ties.
May 15, 2004. Reuters.
Bush says Zarqawi Killed Berg; Cites Saddam 'Ties'
More on Shakir. Did he meet with 9/11 planners?
May 27, 2004. The Wall Street Journal.
OpinionJournal - Featured Article
The Connections. Detailed.
May 28, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
The Connection
Saddam's role in 9/11.
May 29, 2004. A Freeper book.
SADDAM's ROLE IN 911
Clinton mentioned how AQ was developing a relationship with Iraq. Also see Post #5.
June 1, 2004. The Miami Herald.
Evidence Supports That Hussein had Strong Links with Terrorists (A bullet-point list)
Read into the Congressional Record regarding the ties between OBL and Saddam. (Part 1)
June 1, 2004
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):
More read into the Congressional Record (Part 2).
June 1, 2004
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):
More read into the Congressional Record (Part 3).
June 1, 2004
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):
More read into the Congressional Record (Part 4).
June 1, 2004
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):
Exploring the links between 9/11 and Iraq.
June 2, 2004. CBN.com
Exploring Probable Links Between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein
New Iraqi Chief Links 9/11 to Saddam.
June 2, 2004. NewsMax.
New Iraq Chief: Evidence Linking Saddam to 9/11 is 'Genuine'
Pre-Bush Timeline of Saddam/OBL Ties
June 12, 2004. Freeper Blackrain4xmas research
PRE-BUSH timeline/list of Iraq's Ties To Al Queda
Cheney claims Iraq/AQ connections
June 14, 2004. Associated Press
CHENEY CLAIMS AL-QAIDA LINKED TO SADDAM
Britain insists that AQ was in Iraq pre war.
June 17, 2004. MiddleEast Online.
Britain insists Al-Qaeda operated in Saddam's Iraq
Cheney says definite ties between Iraq/AQ and outraged at NYT Misleading Headline.
June 17, 2004. CNBC Capitol Report via Drudge
CHENEY: CLEAR LINKS BETWEEN SADDAM, AL-QAEDA; CALLS NY TIMES ARTICLE 'OUTRAGEOUS'
How the Networks Pretend to Ignore their own Reporting from the 1990's.
June 17, 2004. Media Research Center
Nets Pounce on No bin Laden-Saddam Link, But Bush Believed Media --6/17/2004-- Media Research Center
There was a link between OBL and Saddam.
June 20, 2004. The Sunday Telegraph.
MELANIE PHILIPS: There was a link between Saddam and al-Qa'eda
9/11 Commission says prominent member of AQ served in Iraq's militia.
June 20, 2004. Reuters.
Iraq Officer Tied to Al-Qadea
9/11 Commission reaffirms Bush administration view of Iraq/AQ ties.
June 21, 2004. RNC.
9-11 Commission Staff Report Confirms Administration's Views of al-Qaeda/Iraq Ties
How Saddam collaborated with Osama bin Laden. Interview with Stephen Hayes with excellent information.
June 23, 2004. FrontPage Magazine.
The Connection--How Saddam collaborated with Osama
The Clinton Administration first linked Saddam and OBL.
June 25, 2004. The Washington Times.
Clinton first linked al Qaeda to Saddam - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics - June 25, 2004
Documents Shows Iraq Intel Agents Met with OBL.
June 25, 2004. Associated Press.
Report: Iraq Document Details Bin Laden Contacts (Reuters/Yahoo)
More evidence of Iraq/AQ relationship.
June 25, 2004. New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/po...print&position=
Putin warned President Bush after 9/11 that Saddam Hussein planned to attack America.
June 28, 2004. Media Research Center.
CBS, CNN & NBC Skip Iraq Outreach to bin Laden Over Saudi Arabia
Freeper blog (Windsofchange) and links to 9/11 Commission report with specific references to the ways in which Iraq/AQ were connected and worked together.
July 11, 2004.
Winds of Change.NET: The Senate Intelligence Committee Report
Long List of Clinton Administration Officials who Believed There was an AQ/Iraq connection.
July 12, 2004. NewsMax.
Clinton White House Saw Saddam-Osama Connection
Gore, Cohen, Clinton linked AQ and Saddam.
July 15, 2004. The Daily Texan.
Dems connected Iraq, al-Qaida
Gore, Cohen, Clinton linked AQ and Saddam.
July 15, 2004. The Daily Texan.
Dems connected Iraq, al-Qaida
What the Senate Intelligence Report REALLY said about the connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
July 22, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
The Missing Link What the Senate report really says about Iraq and al Qaeda.
The 9/11 Commission found specific connections between Iraq and AQ. Specific names and dates are given from the report.
July 22, 2004. The Daily Standard.
Yes, There Is a Connection
The 9/11 Commission and Iraq/AQ Connections.
July 26, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
Kristol: The 9/11 Commission and the Connection
Clinton feared Iraq gave AQ chemical weapons in Sudan under a cooperative agreement they had.
July 2004. 9/11 Commission
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Information about Shakir, the Iraqi who met with AQ at a pre-9/11 planning meeting. Also information about the Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the bomb of the first WTC bombing.
August 2, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
Only Connect
Specific quotes from 9/11 Commission Report regarding links between AQ and Iraq.
July 30, 2004.
9/11 Commission Report: Final Report Documents Iraq/alQaeda Link
Connecting the Saddam-Osama Dots: Contacts between al Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq are beyond dispute
Contact between OBL and Saddam are beyond dispute.
August 18, 2004. The Washington Times.
Connecting the Saddam-Osama Dots: Contacts between al Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq are beyond dispute
List of CIA and various Reports regarding Iraq's support for terrorists, terrorism and AQ.
September 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
No Terrorism in Iraq Before the War?
Kerry disputing 9/11 Commission and Senate Intelligence Reports. Actual page numbers and quotes within article of what the Reports DID say regarding the connections.
September 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
Kristol: Kerry and the "Direct Link" (The Kerry campaign is distorting Dick Cheney's words)
Fox News reports that Saddam may have used Oil for Food money to fund Al Qaeda.
September 20, 2004. Fox News Channel.
FOXNews.com - Possible Saddam-Al Qaeda Link Seen in U.N. Oil-for-Food Program - U.S. & World
Excellent resource. Pictures. Charts.
Bomber from '93 WTC bombing received salary from Iraq.
Salmon Pak - terrorists trained on how to use forks and knives to hijack a plane.
Iraq was Islamic terror central.
September 22, 2004. Deroy Murdock, Hoover Institute.
Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror - by Deroy Murdock
Both the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and the 9/11 Commission documented the links and relationship between AQ and Iraq.
October 5, 2005. The Weekly Standard.
The Kerry-Edwards "Front"
CNSNews.com Publishes Iraqi Intelligence Docs
CNSNews ^ | October 11, 2004 | David Thibault
CNSNews.com Publishes Iraqi Intelligence Docs
Osama bin Laden was considered an Iraqi Intelligence asset.
October 14, 2004. National Review.
Connected [Book review of "The Connection" (Saddam Hussein/al-Qaeda)]
Saddam - The Terrorist's Banker
October 15, 2004. The Scotsman
Saddam Hussein - the terrorists' banker
Senate Intelligence Report says Zarqawi operated out of Saddam controlled territory - Baghdad.
October 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
The Rice Stuff?
It looks like the 9/11 Commission got an important detail wrong. Shakir probably DID work the Iraqi Fedayeen and he had documents on him when arrested that linked him to the 1993 WTC bombing. And he drove the 9/11 hijackers to a planning meeting.
October 23, 2004. The Hoover Institute. Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror (Saddam's 9/11 Connection Documented)
Saddam was the ATM to Al Qaeda.
November 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
FrontPage magazine.com :: Saddam, the ATM of Al Qaeda by Christopher S. Carson
CIA Agent Scheuer USED to believe there was an Iraq/AQ link. Now he just wants face time on television and is pretending there was never a link.
November 23, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
The Evidence Scheuer Ignored
Oil for Food Scandal may have funded 9/11.
December 4, 2004. NewsMax quotes The Weekly Standard.
Oil for Food May Have Funded 9/11 Attacks
Iraqi Intelligence officers planted a sleeper cell (at least one) in the United States. The man is now under arrest and Iraqi agents are cooperating.
December 22, 2004. CBS.
Prosecutors: Former Iraqi intelligence officers cooperating in alleged spy case
2005
New list by Richard Minister of the Connections Between OBL and Saddam.
February 4, 2005.
THE IRAQ--AL QAEDA CONNECTIONS (Or, Why Do Kennedy, Boxer and Byrd Defend Saddam on this Point?)
Freeper book, Saddam's Ties to Osama, great review at Amazon.
February 2005.
Saddam's Ties to Al Queda by Sam Pender (Huge Compilation of Iraq Al Qaeda Links)
Symposium; Experts gather to discuss relationship between Iraq/AQ
February 11, 2005. FrontPage Magazine.
FrontPage magazine.com :: Symposium: The Saddam-Osama Connection. by Jamie Glazov
It's all about 9/11 (Iraq and OBL connections)
National Review. June 2005.
It's all about 9/11 (Iraq's links to AQ)
The Clinton Administration's Case Against WMD in Iraq
April 2005
Iraq: Setting the Record Straight (Definitive 108 page Report; BOOKMARK)
The Saddam-Osama Link Confirmed.
June 20, 2005. FrontPage magazine.
The Osama-Saddam Link Confirmed
GOP Lawmaker Says Saddam Linked to 9/11
CNN. June 2005
CNN.com - GOP lawmaker: Saddam linked to 9/11 - Jun 29, 2005
Saddam was Motel 6 to terrorist. Whole article and Post #6 complete with a picture.
NewsMax. June 2005
Saddam's Iraq Was Motel 6 for Terrorists
Thwarted Jordan WMD attack; jihadists got money and weapons from Iraq
June 30, 2005. AP
"Chemical expert testifies in Jordan trial" (thousands of people would have died)

July 2005. The Weekly Standard.
The Mother of All Connections (New evidence of collaboration between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda)
A blog with great links regarding the relationship.
July 2005.
www.newspundit.net/saddamalqaedawmd.html; Your Worldwide Source for Superior News & Blogging Links; Big Blog; War Blogg; Blogger and News Blogging Links; Exclusive NewsPundit Commentary; Immediate translation is permitted six languages: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese.
The Pope of Terrorism
July 2005. The Weekly Standard
The Pope of Terrorism, Part I
The Pope of Terrorism, Part II
July 2005. The Weekly Standard
The Pope of Terrorism, Part II
Saddam financially supported an AQ affiliate in Algeria
August 2005. The Weekly Standard
Iraq and Al Qaeda - The Algerian Connection
9/11 Commission did NOT include information they now admit they knew. In 2000, some of the 9/11 hijackers were on the radar, but Clinton did nothing.
August 2005. Philadelphia paper
9/11 attackers on radar in '00? - (Clinton knew??..)
Operation Able Danger. What the 9/11 Commission knew and didn't know. What Clinton did and didn't do.
August 2005.
Fitting the Pieces Together--Able Danger, Jamie Gorelick & 9/11
More on Atta in Prague, the Iraqi intel agent arrested in Germany who was linked to AQ and Ramzi Yousef's Iraq passport (Youseff bombed the WTC in '93)
August 12, 2005. Captain's Quarters
Captain's Quarters
9/11 Probe could highlight Iraq link to 9/11
August 2005. NewsMax
New 9/11 Probe Could Spotlight Iraq Link
The Iraqis the 9/11 Commission Report forgot to mention as they relate to 9/11.
September 2005. The Weekly Standard.
Must read.
Stephen Hayes:See No Evil, Hear No Evil(What the 9/11 Commission narrative left out: Iraqis)
Who is lying about Iraq (Hint -- It's The democrats)
November 2005. John Podhoritz
Commentary
Records found in Iraq dated ten months before 9/11 indicates that Saddam Hussein’s employees clandestinely met Taliban and al Qaeda agents regarding a “decision to operate.” That and more.
National Review. 12/21/05
Smoking in the Background - The Bush administration sits on some telling documents (Saddam's Iraq).
Kuwait sentences Al Qaeda terrorists who have connections to Iraq.
Reuters. December 27, 2005.
Kuwait sentences al Qaeda-linked militants to death
2006
Saddam trained over 8,000 jihadists before the war.
January 12, 2006. The Wall Street Journal.
OpinionJournal - Featured Article
New documents found in Iraq confirm that Saddam worked with Al Qaeda.
February 20, 2006. The American Thinker
Saddam and al-Qaeda
Who'll let the docs out?
The Weekly Standard. Stephen Hayes
March 10, 2006
The president orders Negroponte to get the Saddam tapes translated and released.
Who'll Let the Docs Out
Atta was in Prague after all. Credit Ravingnutter.
Able Danger Atta Photo Mystery Solved
MISCELLANEOUS
9/11 Hijacker sought treatment for red hands (anthrax).
October 11, 2001. Palm Beach Post.
Suspect Sought Medicine for Red Hands
Tabloid Editor rented apartment to two 9/11 hijackers. The tabloid lost a worker to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. Miami Herald.
Tabloid editor's wife rented apartment to 2 hijackers
Hijackers linked to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. St. Petersburg Times.
Worldandnation: Hijackers linked to tabloid
9/11 Hijackers treated for anthrax.
March 23, 2002. The New York Times.
Report Linking Anthrax and Hijackers Is Investigated
Remember Anthrax?
April 20, 2002. The Weekly Standard.
Remember Anthrax?
9/24/01. ABC.
Hijacker Activities Uncovered in Fla., N.J./ Witness: Hijack suspect visited crop dusting airfield.
Hijacker treated for anthrax.
May 9, 2002. The Wall Street Journal.
Anthrax: A Botched Investigation?
Atta tried to buy a cropduster.
June 6, 2002. ABC.
Face to Face With a Terrorist - Worker Recalls Atta Seeking Funds Before 9/11 (Cropduster!)
Analysis of anthrax letters.
June 19, 2002. Instapundit.
Analysis of Anthrax Letters and Envelopes [Atta Did It?]
Freeper My Identity research on anthrax letters. Post #44.
6/20/02.
Analysis of Anthrax Letters and Envelopes [Atta Did It?]
The silica used in the anthrax attacks traced to Iraq.
October 28, 2002. The Washington Post.
FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted (washingtonpost.com)
Freeper Backhoe's list of links.
February 2, 2003
Time to kick the tires & light the fires, folks- terrorism gathers across the World...
Freeper Republican Strategist list of links.
February 24, 2003.
Freeper Resource: What Team Saddam Doesn’t Want You To Know!
Freeper polemikos list of links to investigations regarding anthrax.
December 26, 2003.
CIA building case 2001 anthrax attacks were international terror plot
Evidence Iraq behind anthrax attacks.
January 1, 2004. Accuracy in Media
Accuracy In Media - Media Monitor - Saddam Behind Anthrax Attacks?
Freeper Christie's list of links. Great chart.
September 26, 2004.
***FREEPER EXCLUSIVE*** Let the PJBrigade Help Kerry Connect the Dots . . . between Osama and Saddam
Saddam behind anthrax attacks and 9/11 attacks.
Independent website.
IRAQI LINKS TO TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICA
9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta stayed at the same motel as the Oklahoma City Bombers.
OKC Bombing Cover-Up

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No ties?? No, they didnt attack us, but they housed individuals who are afiliated with those who DID attack us.

Yeah, this link is somewhat opinionated, but there are undisputable facts sprinkled in here and there. Al Queda Iraq Connection

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I don't think you could have possibly said anything MORE ignorant than the babble that I just quoted.

Maybe its the idea that most of the nations in this world were founded on a basic set of ideals and rules that were governed by the ten commandments or other biblical heritage. Perhaps its the fact that the United States was specifically founded on Christian ideals.

Perhaps, even moreso, its the idea that the basic idea of religion has kept the world in check for thousands of years. Sure, extremist have used religion as a cause to conflict, but was it truly the religion that caused the conflict. Were the crusades about christianity or were they about wealth and power? I think the answer here is quite simple. As you said, do the muslim jihadist use religion as a cause or rather use religion as a front and a means to start conflict to execute their ulterior motives?

Conflicts have never and will never be about religion, at the heart of the conflict, rather they're about the inherent evil which is human nature.

Personally, I feel that religion was created as a means to scare the uneducated masses into behaving in a civilized manner. I think religion has done an excellent job at executing this task. If it were not for religion, everything generally considered as evil would be common practice. Religion is the pillar of society and one of the elements analyzed by historians when determining if peoples meet the criteria known as a civilization.

Basically, I feel you should be bitch slapped for being just as extreme as those others that you title "extremist" - you're just on the other end of the spectrum.