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B16RacerN2NR · 10-18-2006, 07:53 PM

I've heard some people say that Pride has the better fighters. I wouldn't know since I don't really watch Pride. I was looking at the rules and such for for Pride and they are pretty much the same as the UFC except for a few things...

Rules
PRIDE's rules result in similar styles of fighting as seen in Ultimate Fighting Championship in the United States. Unlike the UFC, where matches take place within a cage, PRIDE holds its bouts within a boxing style ring. Other notable differences between PRIDE FC and the UFC are:

Kicking and kneeing the head of a downed opponent is allowed in PRIDE but not in UFC.
Stomping a downed opponent is allowed in PRIDE but not in UFC.
(Non downward pointed) Elbows to the head/face are allowed in UFC but not in PRIDE.

Weight classes
It should be noted that PRIDE Fighting Championships does NOT divide their fighters with weight divisons, a fighter may be booked to fight an opponent of any weight class. Weight divisions are only used for championship title bouts to crown a champion among that weight class.

Heavyweight (more than or equal to 93 kg / 205 lb)
Middleweight (less than 93 kg / 205 lb)
Welterweight (less than 83 kg / 183 lb)
Lightweight (less than 73 kg / 160 lb)

Match length
Most PRIDE FC matches are broken down as follows:

Round 1 - 10 minutes
Round 2 - 5 minutes
Round 3 - 5 minutes
There are two-minute breaks between rounds.
Pride Bushido matches (lightweights and welterweights) consist of only 2 rounds (10 and 5 minutes)

Now going by the above information, I'd say that Pride should have the better conditioned fighters since they have to go 10 minutes in the first round and they also fight any fighter of any weight but at the same time Pride has what some may call "dirty" fighters since Pride allows kicks and knees to the head of a downed(sp?) opponent.

Also, I hear a lot of political bullshit that goes on in the UFC and Pride and that's what helps a fighter choose what organization he wants to go to. Such as pay rate and other factors.

I remember watching a Pride fight between Chuck Liddell and Quiton Jackson and Quiton whooped Chuck's ass. I don't understand why Quiton Jackson wouldn't follow Chuck and come to UFC. I know Quiton Jackson and Tito Ortiz are friend's and they train with each other.

So what do you guys think? Maybe there is something you guys have heard or seen that i'm missing. Discuss...

Vosty · 10-18-2006, 07:56 PM

this could open up a can-0-worms... Im a UFC guy... i would have to agree on the polictics theory u posted as well...

B16RacerN2NR · 10-18-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vosty

this could open up a can-0-worms... Im a UFC guy... i would have to agree on the polictics theory u posted as well...

I'm a UFC guy too, as you can tell from my avatar lol but I just want to see what people have heard or know what makes these 2 organizations that much different and/or better from one another.

Vosty · 10-18-2006, 08:01 PM

This thread actually makes me want to research more... I DVR "tivo" every episode of The Ultimate Fighter as well...

SlushboxTeggy · 10-18-2006, 08:14 PM

I prefer UFC. Got to love an elbow to the head on a downed opponent.

B16RacerN2NR · 10-18-2006, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sLuShBoXtEgGy

I prefer UFC. Got to love an elbow to the head on a downed opponent.

That's one thing I don't understand about Pride, they will let you kick or knee someone's head while they are down but not an elbow to the head or face at any time? What if you are in their guard? I guess they want only punches so you can get caught in an arm-bar easier

micah · 10-18-2006, 08:36 PM

all you have to do is watch pride to realise that theres much better fighters there. besides chuck, theres alot of people from the ufc who have gone to pride and not done well at all.
whereas every fighter that i can ever remember going from pride to ufc has dominated in ufc.

pretty much the only ufc fighter that has done decent in pride would be phil baroni, maybe jens pulver. thats all i can think of off the top of my head.

alot of the fighters are from around the world. pride is f-n huge in japan and everywhere else. ufc is only big in america. that might be one reason why pride draws fighters. ufc also pays shit compared to pride. pride tourneys draw crowds of up to and over 50k people, whereas ufc crowds are a fraction of that. in japan, pride is like the nfl in america.

ufc is what got me into mma years and years ago, but as a fan of mma and being someone who watches multiple organizations, its not big secret that pride has much better fighters.

like i said in another thread. i cant think of a single title holder in ufc that could win in a match with a comparable pride title holder. id put money on every fight without even looking at the card.

the IFL is pretty cool, if anyone has ever watched that. its kinda setup the way the old ultimate fighters were. fighters are split up into teams, but they have uniforms and team logos kinda like the nfl. then the teams compete against one another in individual fights to determine the best overall team. it comes on FSN and is worth checking out.

erebunicrx · 10-18-2006, 09:06 PM

i can not find the numbers for the pride fighters but i have heard pride fighters get close or more then 800k a fight!!! yes $800,000. then check this out
MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More

then you tell me why people would not want to fight in pride lol.

i hate, HATE the boxing ring that pride fight in. i think you should be able to knee in the head while the other guy is down and also strike down with an elboe when you on your back. right now in the us ufc is more comercial then pride and its just easyier to get into seeing all the time. i'll let you know witch one i like better when im fighting in them both.

erebunicrx · 10-18-2006, 09:11 PM

also just kinda interesting. MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More

micah · 10-19-2006, 09:24 AM

last time rickson fought in pride they paid him a million oO
what do you train in to be fighting at that level?

i do sambo, jiu jitsu, and muay thai. ive had to slack off though cause i got too much going on, but hopefully ill get back into it soon.

B16RacerN2NR · 10-19-2006, 11:23 AM

ah I see... maybe I get drawn in to the UFC drama since they advertise a lot more then Pride does. Plus, the actual Pride fights I have seen were all pretty boring, maybe because I didn't know the background of any of the fighters.

Wanderlei(sp?) Silva was fighting for the UFC a while back and he got his ass kicked by Vitor Belfort. Silva also lost to Tito Ortiz a couple years ago, I think it was UFC 25, that was back in 2000 so it's not too long ago. Also, I think it was a split decision so they should fight again.

Anyway, I think it's unfair to say that the Pride Champions will beat any of the UFC Champions simply because every fighter, in each organization, is getting better and better, and a fight is a fight, anything can and will happen. But I do agree that Pride has a higher number of talented fighters than the UFC does.

You still doing your Muay Thai? I haven't been doing it since high school (so about 6 years) and I want to get back into it real bad but with having to work nights and watch my son during the day while my girlfriend is at work makes it kinda hard to find time to do anything like that. Oh well, when my son gets old enough we will be doing Muay Thai together

Cashizslick · 10-19-2006, 11:33 AM

UFC is mainly based in America while Pride is more internationaly acclaimed. The Pride fighters are much better than the UFC fighters - they get paid more, thats why.

Some of the greatest fighters have fought in pride - Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, etc. . .

VTEC_CBR · 10-19-2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashizslick

UFC is mainly based in America while Pride is more internationaly acclaimed. The Pride fighters are much better than the UFC fighters - they get paid more, thats why.

Some of the greatest fighters have fought in pride - Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, etc. . .

you forgot the best fighter ever... Bas Rutten

micah · 10-19-2006, 03:03 PM

fuck yeah! el guapo is the man!

and b16, vitor belfort came from pride too :P

i could make a long list of names of pride fighters that could dominate ufc unquestionably.

i havent been doing any training for a few weeks. i watch kids during the day and work at night. on the weekends is the only time i have for family and the only time i get to play warhammer, so its hard to squeeze training in there.
i might be getting a new job and if it works out ill be training about 3 days a week.

klyph · 10-19-2006, 03:13 PM

Didnt old school UFC allow elbows to the head until that guy got knocked out from it and ended up half retarded?

VTEC_CBR · 10-19-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanco

I've been watching UFC lately and so far I haven't seen anything really exciting. I've seen fights between 14 year olds that are more entertaining. I'm hoping tonight will be worth the time to watch.

If you're talking about TUF, tonight I think Matt Serra is fighting Shonie Carter. Should be a very good fight. Hope Matt whoops his ass.

micah · 10-19-2006, 05:13 PM

TUF = the ultimate fighter. it is UFC

oldschool ufc didnt have any rules. no gloves, no weight classes, no holds barred. when they were forced to be sanctioned like boxers is when they got all the rules.

oldschool pride was alot different also. no weight classes, no set rules for every match, no set round times from match to match, etc

VTEC_CBR · 10-19-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micah

TUF = the ultimate fighter. it is UFC

yeah what he said, sorry I should have clarified.

B16RacerN2NR · 10-19-2006, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klyph

Didnt old school UFC allow elbows to the head until that guy got knocked out from it and ended up half retarded?

UFC still allows elbows to the head...just ask Ken Shamrock

B16RacerN2NR · 10-19-2006, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micah

and b16, vitor belfort came from pride too :P

no, what I mean is they seem to have jumped back and forth. Vitor was with UFC, then he went back to Pride, now he's back with UFC...so I don't know what the big deal is...maybe it is all about money lol

oh, I so wanna see Rampage kick Chuck's ass again but this time I want to see it happen in the octagon.

VTEC_CBR · 10-19-2006, 11:09 PM

It was good to see Matt get the win tonight.

B16RacerN2NR · 10-20-2006, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTEC_CBR

It was good to see Matt get the win tonight.

TUF has nothing to do with my thread damnit!!! j/p lol I saw it too...Shonie caught his ass with that spinning back fist again lol fucking classic...too bad he was too tired to try and capitalize on Matt. I wanna see if Serra can take the belt from Sherk...should be a good fight if Matt wins this TUF Tourney.

B16RacerN2NR · 10-20-2006, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanco

God damn that was a boring fucking match. I wasn't sure if they were fighting or having foreplay. For two people with something to prove, they were both giant pussies. Espeically with Serra talking about how he's not afraid to get in the ring and get knocked out. Bah. Less Mixed and more Martial Arts. I was more entertained by tonight's South Park. But hey, some good matches before that. That one dude got knocked the fuck out, folded in half, and landed on his face. And another dude got that flying knee kick to the dome.

Anyway, back on topic.

Well what did you expect? Matt Serra is a jiu-jitsu guy...watching jiu-jitsu is boring as it is lol that's why I hate watching any of the Gracie fights...not saying that the Gracie's suck just that they don't provide the entertainment i'm looking for. Except Royce did entertain me when Hughes was whoopin' his ass

Now back to my actual topic...anyone know what the average pay rate is for a UFC fight and a Pride fight?

get_nick · 10-20-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micah

TUF = the ultimate fighter. it is UFC

oldschool ufc didnt have any rules. no gloves, no weight classes, no holds barred. when they were forced to be sanctioned like boxers is when they got all the rules.

old ufc did have rules. if you wore shoes, no kicking.

i thought they CHOSE to be sanctioned so they could get on public tv and have more fights around the country?

micah · 10-20-2006, 03:37 PM

well dana bought it and then they became sanctioned. they were catching alot of heat at the time so yeah they prolly wanted to.

you used to be able to pull up the fight cards with how much each person is able to win. its not a whole lot.

forest griffon i think was getting paid like 17k per fight, i dont remember any others.

just look at TuF, they give them 100k year long contracts, but then they fight multiple times per year.

in pride they make 6 figures a fight.

10-18-2006, 08:14 PM	#5
SlushboxTeggy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 23 Posts: 6,450 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1997 Integra Rep Power: 196	I prefer UFC. Got to love an elbow to the head on a downed opponent. __________________ Like water on a duck's back, just let it roll off... RIP Shaunie T. O'Reilly- 1986-2006

10-18-2006, 08:36 PM	#7
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 49	all you have to do is watch pride to realise that theres much better fighters there. besides chuck, theres alot of people from the ufc who have gone to pride and not done well at all. whereas every fighter that i can ever remember going from pride to ufc has dominated in ufc. pretty much the only ufc fighter that has done decent in pride would be phil baroni, maybe jens pulver. thats all i can think of off the top of my head. alot of the fighters are from around the world. pride is f-n huge in japan and everywhere else. ufc is only big in america. that might be one reason why pride draws fighters. ufc also pays shit compared to pride. pride tourneys draw crowds of up to and over 50k people, whereas ufc crowds are a fraction of that. in japan, pride is like the nfl in america. ufc is what got me into mma years and years ago, but as a fan of mma and being someone who watches multiple organizations, its not big secret that pride has much better fighters. like i said in another thread. i cant think of a single title holder in ufc that could win in a match with a comparable pride title holder. id put money on every fight without even looking at the card. the IFL is pretty cool, if anyone has ever watched that. its kinda setup the way the old ultimate fighters were. fighters are split up into teams, but they have uniforms and team logos kinda like the nfl. then the teams compete against one another in individual fights to determine the best overall team. it comes on FSN and is worth checking out. __________________ god called in sick today

10-18-2006, 09:06 PM	#8
erebunicrx my name is Dale Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bristol ct Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: cbr 929rr Rep Power: 34	i can not find the numbers for the pride fighters but i have heard pride fighters get close or more then 800k a fight!!! yes $800,000. then check this out MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More then you tell me why people would not want to fight in pride lol. i hate, HATE the boxing ring that pride fight in. i think you should be able to knee in the head while the other guy is down and also strike down with an elboe when you on your back. right now in the us ufc is more comercial then pride and its just easyier to get into seeing all the time. i'll let you know witch one i like better when im fighting in them both. __________________ 03 mustang mach1, procharged, built motor, 6sp swap, built rear. 525whp @9psi 00 cbr 929rr 420 conversion -1 +2

10-18-2006, 09:11 PM	#9
erebunicrx my name is Dale Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bristol ct Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: cbr 929rr Rep Power: 34	also just kinda interesting. MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More __________________ 03 mustang mach1, procharged, built motor, 6sp swap, built rear. 525whp @9psi 00 cbr 929rr 420 conversion -1 +2

10-19-2006, 09:24 AM	#10
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 49	last time rickson fought in pride they paid him a million oO what do you train in to be fighting at that level? i do sambo, jiu jitsu, and muay thai. ive had to slack off though cause i got too much going on, but hopefully ill get back into it soon. __________________ god called in sick today


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10-18-2006, 07:53 PM	#1
B16RacerN2NR I'll be back... Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga - UTI Age: 26 Posts: 5,057 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 06 Mazda 5, 91 Civic DX Rep Power: 156	UFC VS Pride I've heard some people say that Pride has the better fighters. I wouldn't know since I don't really watch Pride. I was looking at the rules and such for for Pride and they are pretty much the same as the UFC except for a few things... Rules PRIDE's rules result in similar styles of fighting as seen in Ultimate Fighting Championship in the United States. Unlike the UFC, where matches take place within a cage, PRIDE holds its bouts within a boxing style ring. Other notable differences between PRIDE FC and the UFC are: Kicking and kneeing the head of a downed opponent is allowed in PRIDE but not in UFC. Stomping a downed opponent is allowed in PRIDE but not in UFC. (Non downward pointed) Elbows to the head/face are allowed in UFC but not in PRIDE. Weight classes It should be noted that PRIDE Fighting Championships does NOT divide their fighters with weight divisons, a fighter may be booked to fight an opponent of any weight class. Weight divisions are only used for championship title bouts to crown a champion among that weight class. Heavyweight (more than or equal to 93 kg / 205 lb) Middleweight (less than 93 kg / 205 lb) Welterweight (less than 83 kg / 183 lb) Lightweight (less than 73 kg / 160 lb) Match length Most PRIDE FC matches are broken down as follows: Round 1 - 10 minutes Round 2 - 5 minutes Round 3 - 5 minutes There are two-minute breaks between rounds. Pride Bushido matches (lightweights and welterweights) consist of only 2 rounds (10 and 5 minutes) Now going by the above information, I'd say that Pride should have the better conditioned fighters since they have to go 10 minutes in the first round and they also fight any fighter of any weight but at the same time Pride has what some may call "dirty" fighters since Pride allows kicks and knees to the head of a downed(sp?) opponent. Also, I hear a lot of political bullshit that goes on in the UFC and Pride and that's what helps a fighter choose what organization he wants to go to. Such as pay rate and other factors. I remember watching a Pride fight between Chuck Liddell and Quiton Jackson and Quiton whooped Chuck's ass. I don't understand why Quiton Jackson wouldn't follow Chuck and come to UFC. I know Quiton Jackson and Tito Ortiz are friend's and they train with each other. So what do you guys think? Maybe there is something you guys have heard or seen that i'm missing. Discuss... __________________ I will be moving to Avondale, AZ in June for 6 months to finish school. Hit me up if you're close to that area so we can chill... Last edited by B16RacerN2NR; 10-18-2006 at 07:55 PM.

10-19-2006, 11:23 AM	#11
B16RacerN2NR I'll be back... Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga - UTI Age: 26 Posts: 5,057 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 06 Mazda 5, 91 Civic DX Rep Power: 156	ah I see... maybe I get drawn in to the UFC drama since they advertise a lot more then Pride does. Plus, the actual Pride fights I have seen were all pretty boring, maybe because I didn't know the background of any of the fighters. Wanderlei(sp?) Silva was fighting for the UFC a while back and he got his ass kicked by Vitor Belfort. Silva also lost to Tito Ortiz a couple years ago, I think it was UFC 25, that was back in 2000 so it's not too long ago. Also, I think it was a split decision so they should fight again. Anyway, I think it's unfair to say that the Pride Champions will beat any of the UFC Champions simply because every fighter, in each organization, is getting better and better, and a fight is a fight, anything can and will happen. But I do agree that Pride has a higher number of talented fighters than the UFC does. You still doing your Muay Thai? I haven't been doing it since high school (so about 6 years) and I want to get back into it real bad but with having to work nights and watch my son during the day while my girlfriend is at work makes it kinda hard to find time to do anything like that. Oh well, when my son gets old enough we will be doing Muay Thai together __________________ I will be moving to Avondale, AZ in June for 6 months to finish school. Hit me up if you're close to that area so we can chill... Last edited by B16RacerN2NR; 10-19-2006 at 11:26 AM.

10-19-2006, 11:33 AM	#12
Cashizslick Ninja Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,331 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 98	UFC is mainly based in America while Pride is more internationaly acclaimed. The Pride fighters are much better than the UFC fighters - they get paid more, thats why. Some of the greatest fighters have fought in pride - Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, etc. . . __________________ Ron Paul's "What If" Speech

10-19-2006, 03:03 PM	#14
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 49	fuck yeah! el guapo is the man! and b16, vitor belfort came from pride too :P i could make a long list of names of pride fighters that could dominate ufc unquestionably. i havent been doing any training for a few weeks. i watch kids during the day and work at night. on the weekends is the only time i have for family and the only time i get to play warhammer, so its hard to squeeze training in there. i might be getting a new job and if it works out ill be training about 3 days a week. __________________ god called in sick today

10-19-2006, 03:13 PM	#15
klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,178 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 242	Didnt old school UFC allow elbows to the head until that guy got knocked out from it and ended up half retarded?

10-19-2006, 05:13 PM	#17
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 49	TUF = the ultimate fighter. it is UFC oldschool ufc didnt have any rules. no gloves, no weight classes, no holds barred. when they were forced to be sanctioned like boxers is when they got all the rules. oldschool pride was alot different also. no weight classes, no set rules for every match, no set round times from match to match, etc __________________ god called in sick today

10-19-2006, 11:09 PM	#21
VTEC_CBR Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 28 Posts: 983 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2004 SE-R Rep Power: 72	It was good to see Matt get the win tonight.

10-20-2006, 03:37 PM	#25
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 49	well dana bought it and then they became sanctioned. they were catching alot of heat at the time so yeah they prolly wanted to. you used to be able to pull up the fight cards with how much each person is able to win. its not a whole lot. forest griffon i think was getting paid like 17k per fight, i dont remember any others. just look at TuF, they give them 100k year long contracts, but then they fight multiple times per year. in pride they make 6 figures a fight. __________________ god called in sick today

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