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josh_isakson · 02-19-2004, 05:31 PM

Hello,
I'm almost ready to sell my civic and buy a new car. I've been throwing around a couple idea's, but narrowed it down to two.

A. Turbocharged Integra GSR

-or-

B. Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4

the other idea's I was throwing around was a Nissan 240sx w/ an sr20det swap, or another civic and b18 swap.

basically what im looking for out of my car is a daily driver thats going to beat mustangs. And not the pussy v6 mustangs, i mean more like the 1999 Mustang GT 4.6L with like 35 more ft/lbs of tourque then the 5.0.... or something like that? I think you know what I'm talking about... it would also be nice to beat some corvette's possibly? Im not too familiar with corvette's though...

i have around 10,000 grand for this project... let me know what you guys think!

thank guys!

E_SolSi · 02-19-2004, 05:39 PM

the VR4 is a pretty badass car
turbo
AWD

only thing i dont like about it is the size... its pretty big

but its a badass car with lots of potential

civicious · 02-19-2004, 05:48 PM

i dont like the styling....looks cheesy IMO. i'd go with the 240/sr20det. silvias fucking rock.

Hatchbacks Anonymous · 02-19-2004, 05:50 PM

Ya, the 3000GT's are one heavy car.

I dont think you can get a good turbo GSR for $10,000. Maybe salvage title if you wanna mess with it.

SolLess16 · 02-19-2004, 05:51 PM

definatly go with the 240 , look into it alot and drop in a RB25det , then you will be happy

, but the VR4's are badass too

dohcvtec_accord · 02-19-2004, 05:53 PM

A VR-4 is a great way to get a turbo AWD car (albeit heavy as fuck) without having to go through a swap process and the maintenance required with said swap.

civicious · 02-19-2004, 05:56 PM

buy an already swapped sr20/rb25 240 off ebay. you can get a silvia for like 10k or so...and there was an rb25'd 240 that sold for like $12k a few months ago...

ebaymotors >>>>> j00!

whatever happened to the whole '>>>' thing anywyas?

dohch22a4 · 02-19-2004, 07:20 PM

Well, at the end of the day, you really need to look at what you ant to ride in. Not only is the VR-4 a great performer, it is also a great all-around car. Comfy seats, good suspension from the factory. It is a tank, but it's a tank with nice interior and looks awesome to boot.

Now, as far as 240 w/ SR or RB in it, you are starting with a cheap sports coupe. Their interiors are terrible and in order to look good you really need to get rid of those shitty pop-up headlamps. You will also need to refreshen suspension components. My stock VX seats are also more laterally supportive than those god-awful 240 stockers. It depends on what you ant and how much work you wanna put into it. Either way, you'll have a phuckin bad car!

josh_isakson · 02-19-2004, 07:50 PM

Which ones are capable of beating the fast mustangs? any capable of beating corvette's or camaro ss's?

Thanks guys

CRX_B16B · 02-19-2004, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by josh_isakson@Feb 19 2004, 08:50 PM
Which ones are capable of beating the fast mustangs? any capable of beating corvette's or camaro ss's?

Thanks guys

the Vr4 3.0 Liter Twin Turbocharged Gas
Front Engine / AWD
24-Valve DOHC
CYLINDERS 6
displacement 2,972 cc
HP 320 @ 6000 RPM

TORQUE 215 @ 2500 RPM

RED LINE7000 RPM
Curb Weight 3,737 lbs.

quarter mile 13.9 s @ 98 mph
top speed 160 mph
Ecomomy 18 MPG City / 24 MPG Highway

0-60 5.5's

JDMilan · 02-19-2004, 08:57 PM

i like em, but they are heavy.

engine bay is cramped, much like the 3z, it's a good car.

Cashizslick · 02-19-2004, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SolLess16@Feb 19 2004, 06:51 PM
definatly go with the 240 , look into it alot and drop in a RB25det , then you will be happy , but the VR4's are badass too

Expect to spend 10K on wiring that hard to find skyline motor in . . .

But it would be sick.

Just go with the S13 or S14 depending on what year 240 you buy.

2000Si · 02-19-2004, 09:17 PM

VR4 + turbo/fuel upgrade >>>>>> 240sx

IMO

TurboMirage · 02-19-2004, 09:32 PM

i love the vr4, but ive heard maintanance on it is a bitch. maybe you could buy dodge stealth parts?

my vote is for a s14 of some sort, with an sr20det.

jeffie7 · 02-19-2004, 09:35 PM

I thought about buying one myself but bottom line Twinturbo cost you out the ass to replace

Thats also one of the reasons I did not buy an S4

if you find a stock VR4 with low miles and don't mind the extra care of having turbos then go for it

I bought the 350Z so I would not have to give a damn about anything just today I stoped by the dealership becuase one body piece was not fitting the way I think it should so next wed they are going to fix it or replace it for free =) when I say body piece its an added "dealer option" so nothing major but still enough for me to want it fixed

call me lazy or maybe just getting older but having a bumper to bumper warrenty rocks!

buying a Turbo honda will be nothing but a PITA chances are it wont be built right and you will either blow it up or have tons of problems down the road either way it will be a handful to keep up with even having one built right it takes tons of time
I spent 10 mins a week doing things to my civic to keep it running right from checking engine mount bolts to adding oil also making sure the oil return line was tight as with all the vac lines... pain in the butt!

a swaped 240 would also be a pain unless you know it was done right tons of people do hack jobs when they swap motors you will also have to worry about passing inspection and smog....

RB25 240.... hahahahhaha I would love one but good luck finding one worth while
I've found many skylines for 10K to bad you can't get them street legal read the writing

IT IS UP TO BUYER TO GET CAR STREET LEGAL =) good luck

bottom line the VR4 is a great car other then the cost of upkeep

silver · 02-19-2004, 09:37 PM

if you're interested in autox or anything that involves turning you'll need heavy upgrades to the VR4's suspension...whereas the 240 is better suited for that.
as a daily driver though, VR4 >>> 240
and yes, finding parts for the VR4/stealth AWD will be a bitch i bet

SolLess16 · 02-19-2004, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cashizslick+Feb 19 2004, 09:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cashizslick @ Feb 19 2004, 09:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-SolLess16@Feb 19 2004, 06:51 PM
definatly go with the 240 , look into it alot and drop in a RB25det , then you will be happy , but the VR4's are badass too

Expect to spend 10K on wiring that hard to find skyline motor in . . .

[/b][/quote]
i bought my RB20DET full engine and tranny and wire harness for 1100 , not 10,000. If your good with wireing then ur good to go

IDMaxGuy · 02-19-2004, 09:56 PM

They are expensive to mod, high insurance, and they weigh 2 tons.... too many cons for me... I was gonna buy one but i looked into them and found they arent that impressive...

NotUrAverage_Si · 02-19-2004, 10:04 PM

VR-4 = heaviest of the twin turbo cars

It's not that hard to find a car that will beat mustangs and vettes.
If I were you, I'd buy a 91-95 Toyota MR2 and save for a JDM
3SGTE:
1998cc (DOHC Turbo)
Horsepower: 245hp@6000rpm
Torque: 225lbs-ft@4000rpm
Compression: 8.5:1
Bore: 86mm
Stroke: 86mm
Redline: 8000rpm

only $1,849.00 at www.totaljdm.com.
afterwards you can look into upgrading engine components. You can easily find a nice looking MR2 in good condition for lower than $5,000 on autotrader.com + the cost of the JDM 3SGTE still won't come out to $10,000. I would assume you should be able to beat mustangs and vettes with just the new motor except for Z06's and the new cobras. but that's what I would do if I were you.

asmallsol · 02-19-2004, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cashizslick@Feb 19 2004, 10:59 PM
Just go with the S13 or S14 depending on what year 240 you buy.

s13 and s14 are chassis codes, not engine codes. It is like EG and EK. The only way to put an s13 into and s14 is if you open up the trunk on a 91 or so 240sx, and have a 96 or so 240 ram it in the ass going 90. Then you have an s1314 conversion with very little effort.

silver · 02-19-2004, 10:49 PM

if you're interested in 3000GTs look into a 1g or 2g AWD DSM instead. lighter, cheaper to mod, parts more readily available, etc

pissedoffsol · 02-19-2004, 11:56 PM

if you get the vr4- just don't try to turn. holy push batman.

civicious · 02-20-2004, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dohch22a4@Feb 19 2004, 07:20 PM
Now, as far as 240 w/ SR or RB in it, you are starting with a cheap sports coupe. Their interiors are terrible and in order to look good you really need to get rid of those shitty pop-up headlamps. You will also need to refreshen suspension components. My stock VX seats are also more laterally supportive than those god-awful 240 stockers. It depends on what you ant and how much work you wanna put into it. Either way, you'll have a phuckin bad car!

the (i think) 95-up didnt have the popup headlamps

Dustin_m · 02-20-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cashizslick+Feb 19 2004, 09:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cashizslick @ Feb 19 2004, 09:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-SolLess16@Feb 19 2004, 06:51 PM
definatly go with the 240 , look into it alot and drop in a RB25det , then you will be happy , but the VR4's are badass too

Expect to spend 10K on wiring that hard to find skyline motor in . . .

But it would be sick.

Just go with the S13 or S14 depending on what year 240 you buy. [/b][/quote]
sorry dude but its not that hard. read Sport Compact and youll see

Jdubspeeds · 02-20-2004, 03:42 AM

I have a friend that has one built. Its a GTO n1 Spec. Greddy project car. Anyways. Its badass only car ive ever seen waste a street bike on the freeway

Always blowin up the motor though. I would say that service work and realiability issues would be the only reason i wouldnt get one.

02-19-2004, 07:20 PM	#8
dohch22a4 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,745 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 32	Well, at the end of the day, you really need to look at what you ant to ride in. Not only is the VR-4 a great performer, it is also a great all-around car. Comfy seats, good suspension from the factory. It is a tank, but it's a tank with nice interior and looks awesome to boot. Now, as far as 240 w/ SR or RB in it, you are starting with a cheap sports coupe. Their interiors are terrible and in order to look good you really need to get rid of those shitty pop-up headlamps. You will also need to refreshen suspension components. My stock VX seats are also more laterally supportive than those god-awful 240 stockers. It depends on what you ant and how much work you wanna put into it. Either way, you'll have a phuckin bad car! __________________ "Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightiest of empires... but what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes, that nothing lasts forever, and that to not resist is to acquiesce in your own oppression. The greatest form of sanity that anyone can exercise is to resist that force that is trying to repress, oppress and fight the human spirit." -Mumia Abu-Jamal

02-19-2004, 09:35 PM	#15
jeffie7 My Vtec is biger then urs Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 9,613 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 343	I thought about buying one myself but bottom line Twinturbo cost you out the ass to replace Thats also one of the reasons I did not buy an S4 if you find a stock VR4 with low miles and don't mind the extra care of having turbos then go for it I bought the 350Z so I would not have to give a damn about anything just today I stoped by the dealership becuase one body piece was not fitting the way I think it should so next wed they are going to fix it or replace it for free =) when I say body piece its an added "dealer option" so nothing major but still enough for me to want it fixed call me lazy or maybe just getting older but having a bumper to bumper warrenty rocks! buying a Turbo honda will be nothing but a PITA chances are it wont be built right and you will either blow it up or have tons of problems down the road either way it will be a handful to keep up with even having one built right it takes tons of time I spent 10 mins a week doing things to my civic to keep it running right from checking engine mount bolts to adding oil also making sure the oil return line was tight as with all the vac lines... pain in the butt! a swaped 240 would also be a pain unless you know it was done right tons of people do hack jobs when they swap motors you will also have to worry about passing inspection and smog.... RB25 240.... hahahahhaha I would love one but good luck finding one worth while I've found many skylines for 10K to bad you can't get them street legal read the writing IT IS UP TO BUYER TO GET CAR STREET LEGAL =) good luck bottom line the VR4 is a great car other then the cost of upkeep __________________ www.handsonkitchen.com www.ntstudios.com www.jeffnortham.com

02-19-2004, 10:04 PM	#19
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02-19-2004, 05:31 PM	#1
josh_isakson Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 79 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Hello, I'm almost ready to sell my civic and buy a new car. I've been throwing around a couple idea's, but narrowed it down to two. A. Turbocharged Integra GSR -or- B. Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 the other idea's I was throwing around was a Nissan 240sx w/ an sr20det swap, or another civic and b18 swap. basically what im looking for out of my car is a daily driver thats going to beat mustangs. And not the pussy v6 mustangs, i mean more like the 1999 Mustang GT 4.6L with like 35 more ft/lbs of tourque then the 5.0.... or something like that? I think you know what I'm talking about... it would also be nice to beat some corvette's possibly? Im not too familiar with corvette's though... i have around 10,000 grand for this project... let me know what you guys think! thank guys!

02-19-2004, 05:39 PM	#2
E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 32 Posts: 20,311 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 736	the VR4 is a pretty badass car turbo AWD only thing i dont like about it is the size... its pretty big but its a badass car with lots of potential

02-19-2004, 05:48 PM	#3
civicious FüK-VTEC Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 23 Posts: 8,550 iTrader: 3 / 100% Rep Power: 263	i dont like the styling....looks cheesy IMO. i'd go with the 240/sr20det. silvias fucking rock.

02-19-2004, 05:50 PM	#4
Hatchbacks Anonymous Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Anonymous Posts: 1,503 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 28	Ya, the 3000GT's are one heavy car. I dont think you can get a good turbo GSR for $10,000. Maybe salvage title if you wanna mess with it.

02-19-2004, 05:51 PM	#5
SolLess16 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 604 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	definatly go with the 240 , look into it alot and drop in a RB25det , then you will be happy , but the VR4's are badass too

02-19-2004, 05:53 PM	#6
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 100	A VR-4 is a great way to get a turbo AWD car (albeit heavy as fuck) without having to go through a swap process and the maintenance required with said swap.

02-19-2004, 05:56 PM	#7
civicious FüK-VTEC Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 23 Posts: 8,550 iTrader: 3 / 100% Rep Power: 263	buy an already swapped sr20/rb25 240 off ebay. you can get a silvia for like 10k or so...and there was an rb25'd 240 that sold for like $12k a few months ago... ebaymotors >>>>> j00! whatever happened to the whole '>>>' thing anywyas?

02-19-2004, 07:50 PM	#9
josh_isakson Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 79 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Which ones are capable of beating the fast mustangs? any capable of beating corvette's or camaro ss's? Thanks guys

02-19-2004, 08:57 PM	#11
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	i like em, but they are heavy. engine bay is cramped, much like the 3z, it's a good car.

02-19-2004, 09:17 PM	#13
2000Si 2265787829 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NOT in Indianapolis Age: 27 Posts: 12,020 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Refer to my name, dumbass. Rep Power: 399	VR4 + turbo/fuel upgrade >>>>>> 240sx IMO

02-19-2004, 09:32 PM	#14
TurboMirage Running on two cylinders Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southbridge, MA Age: 26 Posts: 18,664 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer RPW E5 Coupe Rep Power: 439	i love the vr4, but ive heard maintanance on it is a bitch. maybe you could buy dodge stealth parts? my vote is for a s14 of some sort, with an sr20det.

02-19-2004, 09:37 PM	#16
silver Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis Age: 22 Posts: 702 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1998 Eclipse GSX Rep Power: 22	if you're interested in autox or anything that involves turning you'll need heavy upgrades to the VR4's suspension...whereas the 240 is better suited for that. as a daily driver though, VR4 >>> 240 and yes, finding parts for the VR4/stealth AWD will be a bitch i bet

02-19-2004, 09:56 PM	#18
IDMaxGuy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nixa, Mo Posts: 1,396 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 28	They are expensive to mod, high insurance, and they weigh 2 tons.... too many cons for me... I was gonna buy one but i looked into them and found they arent that impressive...

02-19-2004, 10:49 PM	#21
silver Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis Age: 22 Posts: 702 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1998 Eclipse GSX Rep Power: 22	if you're interested in 3000GTs look into a 1g or 2g AWD DSM instead. lighter, cheaper to mod, parts more readily available, etc

02-19-2004, 11:56 PM	#22
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,950 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 532	if you get the vr4- just don't try to turn. holy push batman.

02-20-2004, 03:42 AM	#25
Jdubspeeds Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tacoma Wa Posts: 503 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 19	I have a friend that has one built. Its a GTO n1 Spec. Greddy project car. Anyways. Its badass only car ive ever seen waste a street bike on the freeway Always blowin up the motor though. I would say that service work and realiability issues would be the only reason i wouldnt get one.

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