get_nick

it's not the caffeine dummy. it's all the sugar. you probably eat mcdonalds that one meal too. haha

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ONCE A DAY?!!?!?!?!?!? DUDE! Your metabolism is DEAD! It's practically non-existent! By just skipping breakfast, your metabolism dips 5%. It may not seem like a lot, but most people can't recover from that. Eat five to six small meals a day. Ay yay yay!

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tunercrazed

lol for that you require food and I'm too lazy to go shopping, plus I'm saving up for another car. Why spend money on food when it can go towards a car?
I dont know if thats dedication or stupidity.....

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YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER LIFT AFTER CARDIO. Your glycogen levels are shot after stagnant cardio and lfting with low glycogen levels will result in a poor workout and bad numbers. It may feel fine to you, but that means you're not working out hard enough, and you need to up your intensity level.

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My friend, I like you, therefore, I won't subject you to what just crossed my mind and leave your question unanswered. haha

Bad numbers? Over the years, I have done my cardio mostly before my work out and sometimes afterwards. It's never felt different and when I had a trainer, he would have me do some before and some after. Heck, I remember when the man was making me gain size...wooooooo, those were some intense workouts which I often did after my cardio. You are right about glycogen levels being lower after cardio though. I actually lifted first today and eh, may change it up from now on. I'm due for a new routine on Monday as I try not to stay on the same routine for more than six weeks at most. It gets old and stagnant. Thank you for your input.

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It all depends on your goals.


If you're trying to pack on muscle, then cardio should not come directly before lifting. Ideally, lifting and cardio should be done on separate days or broken into two different sessions in the day. If you can't pull sessions like that off, your goal should be to lift, refuel (simple carbs and protein packed food) and then cardio.

If you're training for endurance and not growth, then lift and do cardio whenever you desire.

A great deal of the information in this thread is based off of illogical arguments or hearsay. I'll try not to poke my nose in here other then to back some of Jordan's thoughts up when there needs to be some clarification.

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Umm, ouch. Your heart hates you. HAHA!

I truly appreciate it, Nick. Legitimate information whether it be something that one has learned, been taught, or practices works for me.

I believe it's going well. I last weighed myself on March 17th and was at 217lbs. Since then I have at the very least, kept my nutritional intake in check. This is not the simplest thing to do when temptation looms all the freakin' time. Still, I find encouragement in myself to meet my goals and keep at it. Saturday nights are saved for my cheat meal, which usually includes free anything at my favorite pizza place. Their New York style pizza is wow...it is just damn good. Heck, everything there is good.

I'm thinking I may weigh myself in a week to see how I am doing. I'm not into weighing myself all the time. Even though with the problems I've had in going to the gym, I do see some improvement, which is always cool. If I did it once, I know I can DAMN WELL DO IT AGAIN! And I will.

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Slammed89Integra

There is a lot to be learned and I get all my info from Wanna be Big.com - The Ultimate Weight Training and Bodybuilding Resource and directly from books written by greats like ellington darden and such, and from Total.


What I'm saying is. IF you do cardio often before your lift, you're subjecting yourself to depleted glycogen levels. As you lift often, even doing this, your lifts will increase, but if you start doing your cardio a further time away from your lift, ie. 8 hours before to have high glycogen levels, and creatine levels, or 1/2hr after, at HIT pace to not lose mucle, you'll see a vast, large improvement in your muscle endurance.



Recently I started a cut cycle. I'm doing reverse pyramid, set of 10, 12, 2 sets of max with decreasing weight. IT is imperative to have a lot of muscle endurance to be able to do this kind of workout, and if I do any kind of cardio for more than 30 minutes, or at a high intensity for 15 minutes, I find that I have to drop to a much lower weight and my workout intensity decreases significantly. An example of this would be curl's. I start at 55, set of 10. 50, set of 12, and about 2 sets of 13-14 at 45. If I do cardio, meaning basketball, whatever. I have to start at 50 to get a good set and my final barbel is usually around a 35, something I use for warm ups during a building cycle.


Also take into account, I am on an array of supplements and I have an incredible endurance. I don't have ths size, or cut yet, but end of this quarter I'll prove to you that cardio should not be done before a lift, if you want to A. put up the most weight your body possibly can during a workout, and B. You can cut by doing cardio at a different time or even by just doing super sets and circuits with full body workouts.

Wanna be Big.com - The Ultimate Weight Training and Bodybuilding Resource for more info.


I might even provide before and after pics.

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All I have to say to you Slammed is THANK YOU! Rep for you! Please keep up the posts, post before and after pictures, training splits, anything that will educate myself as well as others trying to achieve their individual goals.

By the way, super sets ROCK!

I've often considered of doing cardio at different times and it may happen soon! *doing the happy dance* I'm really excited, as I found someone else to do cardio with. I figure, if I have this correct now, that I will do my cardio after lifting.

Dude, thanks again for the great info.

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tunercrazed

then my heart has something in common with the larger number of women in east Tn....
I love my heart it keeps me alive and stuff

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I have been back at it for two weeks consistently and am loving it. I'm SO glad that I got over whatever the hell had me sleeping so damn much and what have you and FINALLY got back into the gym. On a side note, I have lost three pounds in the past two or was it three weeks? Anywho, all that time I spent away from the gym I kept my eating in check and still lost weight. I've changed my workout since returning from a cardio paced workout of three sets of twelve, to a somewhat building workout of three sets, 10, 8 and 6. I start with heavy weight and just keep going up.

Thank GOD that for every pound of muscle you build it takes your body fifty calories just to keep that muscle up daily. That means if I'm lucky enough to gain just five pounds of muscle, I'll burn an additional 250 calories a day. Hello to the right way to weight loss. *doing the happy dance*

How is everyone else doing in their workouts and goals?

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get_nick

congrats man.

i just up my protein another 60g/day. ugh. i can't shit now. haha. goal by july is 180lbs at 8% bf. doubt i'll get there, but it's worth a shot.

currently 175/13.5%. i don't look it though. i look about 165 at 10%. oh well, i'll keep working on it.

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sup bitches. I'm back with my old company so i gots a computa!!

I too have started working out. I went out and got some whey protein. i take 2 scoops right before my workout and try to take 1 scoop after...i should. My workout consists of running a mile to get my heart rate up. then jump straight to my triceps by doing dips. I use the assistance weights so i do about 5 reps of 10. I do bicepts with free weight and benchpress's,curls and whatever else to keep me pumping. Nothing really organized but i am seeing some results as far as stamina when i run. The dips are getting easier my tricepts have more definition.

ohh and take spinning classes for cardio. It might sound gay but man that is hard shit if your into it.

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Taco!

get_nick

your triceps are getting more definition because you are doing cardio and burning fat. not so much from the lifting part.

keep up the good work.

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