YBLEGAL

No you wouldnt, stop lying

Seems to me, something that far custom would cost a ton in labor. I think if it's going in a civic, it's DIY or go home.

capricefrk013

Well I wouldnt be paying for the labor. My dad & I would be doing the work. It would just be many cases of beer and lots of headaches involved in doing it. I think it would be fun to do.

YBLEGAL

Ohh I read the last thing wrong. Thought you said you would find another person to do the conversion... for some reason...

Ya I think it would be fun too [if I had all the right tools and was capable]

capricefrk013

Well we are fully loaded over here with about half a million dollars worth of tools. So anything is possible over here. Way too many hot rods and race cars were built here. So now I have been getting my dad into the sport compact end of it all.

capricefrk013

Well I finally found one.




And the bad. Light hit in the rear.


Now on to the motor. Years of dust from sittin for too long.













Gonna be taking a closer look at the motor tomorrow to see what is missing so I can get whats needed and try and get it on an engine stand so I can take the oil pan of to see what kind of internals are in it then take the valve cover off to see what cam is in it. Lots of research before I can swap it and fire it.

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serrilion

Good luck with it dude, I would watch the head gasket on that baby , I used to drive a Neon, it died on the burn out rams out back haha! The head didn't want to play around anymore!

nootrac22

in for the updates

Celerity

If you need any pointers with this build, lemme know.

phyregod

Poorly engineered cheaply built econoboxes that are meant to last 5 years and be tossed. This is what I know about neons.

neonmike

first thing you do and let me tell you from experience is ditch the fmu and buy megasquirt. fmu's and neons don't mix well, i am lucky i have a fuel rail left it liked to run at well over 175 psi of fuel pressure. if ya have any questions or need pointers shoot me a pm i have done everything you could possibly do to my neon motor and turbo wise so i prolly have the answer for ya. Oh yeah and if you were wondering that is the hahn racecraft turbo kit ya got on there.

E_SolSi

i can verify this... it was scary as hell watching that fuel pressure needle bending against the stop pin

capricefrk013

Alright, Why should I not use the FMU?

As far as using Megasquirt, I would like to use it. But when I comes down to tuning, I get confused. I guess it is because of all the parameters. I am mechanically inclined to install it. I have dealing with vehicle wiring for 12 years now so thats not the issue. I read all over the place and no one seems to have issues with tuning. I read the manuals for tuning the Megasquirt and I get lost. I would love to learn how to tune so I dont have to pay someone to do it for me. I do have a laptop and a power cord so I can power it from the car.

I dont know what kind of ECU setup this car had and I was told it was pulled with the motor but I cant seem to find it with all the other ECU's. But I was reading lastnite and people were saying that you dont need the MS and you can use the FMU and a map clamp (more so using the Missing Link). Now I do understand by using the MS I can tune the fuel and spark and if I remember correctly it also acts like a map clamp as well. Im still researching and learning as I go. To tell you the truth, Im REALLY confused.

Any help or clarifications would be greatly appreciated.

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YBLEGAL

If GM and such acquired some junk/scrap yards, they could recoup a lot of materials in these broken junk cars to make their new cars and save a lot of money.

awptickes

I know that a Neon caused me to have chronic back pain after the accident I had back in 2007.

neonmike

the megasquirt has a built in map sensor which will be used to run the megasquirt. there are only a couple sensors need for the megasquirt, tps, crank sensor, a gm temp coolant temp sensor, and gm iat sensor. as far as the tuning goes i can send ya a copy of the map that i have and it will get the car running decent but it will need some fine tuning to work to the best of it ability. If you got an fmu with that engine it means it never had an ecu it was running the stock computer for the spark and the fmu controlled the fuel with a map clamp. like i said before i highly don't recomend doin it this way it will only make you hate the car cause you will never be able to get it so you can enjoy driving it. if your lookin for a place to read up on turboing a neon go to www.neons.org and there is a megasquirt tuning forum there.

capricefrk013

Thanx for the explanation. I guess I got overwhelmed by all the tuning. I just need to research some more on the tuning end. So by the megasquirt having a built in map, I dont need a map clamp? Does it have kinda like its own map clamp built in so the oem ecu wont see the boost? I would like to have a copy of the map. Thanx. Is there away I can view how the map is setup? So I can reference it while I learn? Sorry for the 21 questions but im still learning. As far as neons.org, I have been all through there and got confused because alot of the "same" info was explained alot of different ways and I think thats how I got confused plus everyone used abbreviations for terms or parts and that REALLY got me lost. Then going to the megasquirt site to read the manuals and it was like chinese to me. lol. So I tried searching for these GM sensors on mulitple sites and I cant get a clear idea as to what years I need. Thanx for all your help. So far you are the only one who has helped me get this far to where I am starting to understand the whole megasquirt setup. I really appreciate it.

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neonmike

Your factory map sensor will still stay in its location but will basically do nothing. The megasquirt has one that is actually soldered to the main board, it is a gm 3 bar map so it can see boost and not act retarded. The factory ecu still stays in the car and when you have the MS in it will have one function, it has the internal voltage regulator for the alternator. So your check engine light will be on because a butt load of sensors will be getting readings it doesn't like, but the engine is being run off the MS so it doesn't really matter. Also a side note these cars have a returnless fuel system which means there is no fuel return line to the tank. Google spoolboy mod and your also going to have to do that, along with buying a 1:1 fuel pressure regulator. I will get a copy of the map to ya, had to format my laptop so its not on here right now but i have it backed up on cd. Like i said before any questions ya have i probably already ran into those problems so just shoot me a message and i will help out the best i can.

neonmike

Oh yeah as far as finding the gm sensors you can either buy them from DIYAutoTune.com Megasquirt Kits / Assembled Engine Management Systems, Wideband o2 Sensor Systems and tuning products or go to the local parts store and tell them those sensors for any year grand national.

capricefrk013

Ok so what MS CPU should I get? There are many of them and I dont want to get the wrong one.
Like this one for example: MegaSquirt II Programmable EFI System PCB3.57 - Complete Assembled Unit DIYAutoTune.com
What does it come with? Harness? It doesnt say. Im looking for an all in one package.

94H_Ex

Locate yourself a 2 dr 5 spd neon for cheap, upgrade the clutch and flywheel being the standard trans neon clutchs dont separate from the flywheel. Install your engine in it, and roll. its not worth the trouble of putting that damn engine in a civic, and some would consider it a sin to a honda.

good grab on the engine though btw. Check your numbers and see if its a srt-4 engine or a aftermarket engine. I've heard of shops making custom mounts and making the swap. A buddy of mine was going to do that, and put a SRT-4 engine in his 97 neon. Great idea, till he sold the car for 1500.

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capricefrk013

Thanx

I want to keep it a 4 door auto. Its not an srt4 setup. This motor was built about the time the srt4 came out. The whole thing about putting it in the civic was us just joking around.

neonmike

MegaSquirt I Programmable EFI System PCB3.0 - Complete Assembled Unit DIYAutoTune.com
this is the one i have, if i remember correctly MSII will not control spark with a neon, but its been awhile since i have researched the units. You will also need these
MegaSquirt I / II Wiring Harness DIYAutoTune.com
Bosch BIP373 Coil Driver Mod-Kit DIYAutoTune.com
MegaSquirt Tuning Cable (DB9 Straight Thru) DIYAutoTune.com

capricefrk013

I really do appreciate your help neonmike. I will be ordering that setup hopefully by next week. The more I read all the pages over n over n over the more im starting to understand all this. Whats with the stimulater? Do I really need it?

Trying to figure all this out is stressing me out so I took a break from it all week.

What I have been trying to figure out is when the megasquirt is hooked up and the check engine light is on, how do I run with the oem cpu so I can run the emmisions tests?

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neonmike

the stimulator is nothin more than a bench tester, you pretty much only need it if you are gonna build it yourself. If you buy one prebuilt then you don't "need" it. As far as the emissions well that is the boat i am in right now. the only thing that can be done is to disconnect the MS and run it on the factory ecu to go through emissions.

capricefrk013

Thats what I was thinking but it seems like a wiring nightmare as far as getting it to run off the oem pcm when you need it to. Im still researching that part.