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NickBeam · 04-21-2008, 10:35 PM

It looks like Chevy got the formula right this time. 8:22.85 at Nurburgring is no joke. It set a new record for FWD sport compacts. To put that in perspective I'll give you some other times.

2008 Honda NSX....................8:20
BMW M3 E46.........................8:22
BMW M Coupe.......................8:22
Nissan Syline R32 GT-R...........8:22.38
2008 Cobalt SS................................8 :22.85
Subaru WRX STI.....................8:24
Porsche Cayman S...................8:25
Nissan 350Z.............................8: 26
Honda S2000 AP1...................8:39
Honda Integra Type-R..............8:43

|Chaz| · 04-22-2008, 12:29 AM

Sources?

AHHVTEC · 04-22-2008, 12:35 AM

just think what the times would be if some of there others had s/c also

klyph · 04-22-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AHHVTEC

just think what the times would be if some of there others had s/c also

The new cobalt is turbo.

AHHVTEC · 04-22-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by klyph

The new cobalt is turbo.

ahh, in that case imagine the times if some of the others was s/c or turbo.

klyph · 04-22-2008, 01:03 AM

ya but zomg wut if da coballt had de NAWS!

wut den, huh, wut DEN!?!?!

AHHVTEC · 04-22-2008, 01:13 AM

sorry i dont speak rice lol

klyph · 04-22-2008, 02:31 AM

Point is, that is a comparison of STOCK vehicles, so speculating about what a modified car would do against a stock cobalt is pointless. The fact that it stacks up to those big names with such a low price tag is very impressive.
Chevy might actually be getting it again. The new 'vette is a badass, the Cobalt is thus far very impressive, let's hope the new Camaro can follow suit.

AHHVTEC · 04-22-2008, 02:34 AM

i just think f/i needs to say with f/i cars when there comparing them thats all.

klyph · 04-22-2008, 02:59 AM

Should they divide the RWD/FWD cars up? also the ones with mcpherson struts/dual wishbones? there are a lot of factors that determine how fast a car will lap the Nurburgring, whether it sucks or blows is only one aspect of it's performance. Plus, a lot of those cars are naturally aspirated and make more power than the cobalt.

AHHVTEC · 04-22-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by klyph

Should they divide the RWD/FWD cars up? also the ones with mcpherson struts/dual wishbones? there are a lot of factors that determine how fast a car will lap the Nurburgring, whether it sucks or blows is only one aspect of it's performance. Plus, a lot of those cars are naturally aspirated and make more power than the cobalt.

yes, and i know, just my opinion.

awptickes · 04-22-2008, 08:59 AM

Anything under a 9min lap is impressive. I'd be happy with a 11 minute lap; but that comes along with knowledge of the course.

RWD and FWD drive are ranked differently on the 'ring, along with front and mid engined machines. Locally, stock turbo doesn't change the grouping, as long as the whole car is stock. Stock cars are only ranked against other stock cars of the same class. One thing to keep in mind is that there are Official times, and there are Unofficial times. Bridge to Gantry is a method of measuring times on tourist days, but it's pretty dumb to time yourself inside the car, as most insurance is negated by a 'time trial'. I just looked at the lap times on the official site, and I don't see anything on there about the cobalt SS, but wikipedia says that it's a "manufacturer claimed time". I seem to remember seeing something about a method to 'simulate a nurburgring run' a few months back, quite possibly this is what has happened.

But honestly, when the new CTR can get 8:45.25, @200HP who'se to say a mugen tuned ctr won't beat it? This argument can go on forever. I agree though that comparing a F/I car with a N/A car is a little insane. Also, a cobalt beating an Audi S5 is pretty hard to believe, having driven the latter. This boils down to another ploy from detroit trying to sound special. They beat out a GT-R. Come on.

Turbo&Auto · 04-22-2008, 09:49 AM

Is it that Red/yellow/blue tear design Cobalt? That one is S/C. Ive seen it on a few shows now, just recently on Redline TV in a time attack. It rocked Evo's, Sti's etc....The car is an animal! Mostly stock motor and s/c, just a few boltons and some tuning they claim.

get_nick · 04-22-2008, 10:02 AM

pics of what the cobalt looks like?

it could run a 7:00 lap, but if it looks like a rebadged dodge neon, i wouldn't consider it.

NickBeam · 04-22-2008, 10:08 AM

You can still get it with the high spoiler. Still I don't think it's much to look at, maybe it looks better in person.

get_nick · 04-22-2008, 10:10 AM

holy shit, is that an FMIC?

it looks like they are trying to replace the srt-4. if they had some better paint schemes it wouldn't look too bad. but they are generic cars. i would rather have that power plant in something that looks a little better. i still think "chevy cavalier" when i see it.

maybe black with some 15" flat black wheels and lowered it would look a world better.

99sidude · 04-22-2008, 10:29 AM

Yeah I'm not a big fan of thoes wheels at all

newb · 04-22-2008, 10:50 AM

That is a front mount! I find it funny that Garrett came out with a turbo kit for the S/C'ed models, and the the next model year Chevy reintroduced the car with a turbo. Props to Chev for keepin an eye on the aftermarket and givin customers what they want.

Cashizslick · 04-22-2008, 10:52 AM

That car still looks like shit. I'd take an SRT4 over one any day of the week.

TurboMirage · 04-22-2008, 11:02 AM

x2. SRT-4

04-21-2008, 10:35 PM	#1
NickBeam Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ky Age: 25 Posts: 143 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Del Sol w/GSR swap Rep Power: 9	New Cobalt SS runs 8:22 at Nurburg It looks like Chevy got the formula right this time. 8:22.85 at Nurburgring is no joke. It set a new record for FWD sport compacts. To put that in perspective I'll give you some other times. 2008 Honda NSX....................8:20 BMW M3 E46.........................8:22 BMW M Coupe.......................8:22 Nissan Syline R32 GT-R...........8:22.38 2008 Cobalt SS................................8 :22.85 Subaru WRX STI.....................8:24 Porsche Cayman S...................8:25 Nissan 350Z.............................8: 26 Honda S2000 AP1...................8:39 Honda Integra Type-R..............8:43

04-22-2008, 12:29 AM	#2
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04-22-2008, 08:59 AM	#12
awptickes Von Europa Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 20 Posts: 2,012 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2003 Civic EX Coupé Rep Power: 55	Anything under a 9min lap is impressive. I'd be happy with a 11 minute lap; but that comes along with knowledge of the course. RWD and FWD drive are ranked differently on the 'ring, along with front and mid engined machines. Locally, stock turbo doesn't change the grouping, as long as the whole car is stock. Stock cars are only ranked against other stock cars of the same class. One thing to keep in mind is that there are Official times, and there are Unofficial times. Bridge to Gantry is a method of measuring times on tourist days, but it's pretty dumb to time yourself inside the car, as most insurance is negated by a 'time trial'. I just looked at the lap times on the official site, and I don't see anything on there about the cobalt SS, but wikipedia says that it's a "manufacturer claimed time". I seem to remember seeing something about a method to 'simulate a nurburgring run' a few months back, quite possibly this is what has happened. But honestly, when the new CTR can get 8:45.25, @200HP who'se to say a mugen tuned ctr won't beat it? This argument can go on forever. I agree though that comparing a F/I car with a N/A car is a little insane. Also, a cobalt beating an Audi S5 is pretty hard to believe, having driven the latter. This boils down to another ploy from detroit trying to sound special. They beat out a GT-R. Come on. __________________ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit Last edited by awptickes; 04-22-2008 at 09:04 AM.

04-22-2008, 09:49 AM	#13
Turbo&Auto Nick Go FAST!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Burg, PA! Age: 27 Posts: 3,218 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: Hunks of shit Rep Power: 74	Is it that Red/yellow/blue tear design Cobalt? That one is S/C. Ive seen it on a few shows now, just recently on Redline TV in a time attack. It rocked Evo's, Sti's etc....The car is an animal! Mostly stock motor and s/c, just a few boltons and some tuning they claim. __________________ www.BackyardTurbo.com

04-22-2008, 10:52 AM	#19
Cashizslick Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,853 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 69	That car still looks like shit. I'd take an SRT4 over one any day of the week. __________________


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AHHVTEC HS TECH Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 29 Posts: 8,783 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic, Rep Power: 160	just think what the times would be if some of there others had s/c also

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AHHVTEC HS TECH Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 29 Posts: 8,783 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic, Rep Power: 160	i just think f/i needs to say with f/i cars when there comparing them thats all.

04-22-2008, 10:08 AM	#15
NickBeam Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ky Age: 25 Posts: 143 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Del Sol w/GSR swap Rep Power: 9	You can still get it with the high spoiler. Still I don't think it's much to look at, maybe it looks better in person.

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