imzjustplayin

I'm lowering the collective IQ around here because I'm asking for something that I feel is fairly reasonable? I'd be lowering the "collective IQ" if I was spreading FUD or misinformation, such as you've been doing yourself, not asking for tips/help/insight/whatever.

If you're so brilliant, tell me, how and WHY is it economically unfeasible to strengthen the civic? I'm not asking for a civic that can plow through a Toyota Land Cruiser and can shoot artillery shells out of the bonnet, or a civic that can act as a plane, submarine, race car, boat, and mobile home. Your angst would be partially justified if I was asking for the above but I'm NOT, what I'm asking for is what would need to be done in order to improve the crash test rating. Read this:IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Corolla
IIHS-HLDI: Toyota Corolla
"In the first test, forces on the right tibia were high enough to indicate the possibility of lower leg injury. This led Toyota to modify a portion of the padding underneath the carpeting on models produced after December, 2002. (Note: information about when a specific vehicle was manufactured is on the certification label typically affixed to the car on or near the driver door.) The Institute tested a second Corolla that had been retrofitted with the improved padding, and forces on the lower right leg were reduced so that significant injury was unlikely."

It is this kind of adjustment and what not that leads me to believe that only small changes are needed in order for a substantial improvement in crash test performance. However, this is most likely not the case for the civic, nonetheless I believe that it would be possible to improve the safety of the civic. What other explanation can there be for intrusion into the footwell of the '96 civic over the '01 civic except for poor reinforcement of the firewall or the crumpling of the "passenger area" in the '95 crash test due to a lack of strong reinforcement.

Honda and just about any other company tries to use the fewest, cheapest parts they can get away with, with the '90s crash tests being 40% offset and not just a flat wall like they were before, the passenger area compacts in the offset tests unlike in the older "wall" tests. When honda designed this car, they had the "wall" or non offset crash tests in mind, so they use less material than was neccessary for an offset crash test.

Here is a perfect example illustrating my theory:
Non Offset crash:
Notice how the passenger area does NOT buckle? Looks good to me!

Oh but wait..
Offset Crash:
Notice how the passenger area DOES buckle? Looks awful to me!

Knowing that the engineers did not have offset crashes in mind when designing the civic, it is completely understandable as to why the '95 civic performs as it does. Why else would the '96 perform so significantly better if it wasn't for the fact that by the time the '96 was released, offset crash tests were standard fare. Also keep in mind that the '95 is really a '92 model, I'm just calling it a '95 because that's what my original thread was concerning.

I should also mention that the "jobs" would be done by myself, and not by a hired shop as any work by any shop would make it prohibitively expensive and not economically feasible.

Also the front end crash test ratings are NOT comparable amongst different classes of cars. So just because you get a 5 star civic or camry or vulva or whatever, it doesn't mean that it will fair better in an accident with a 1 star rated SUV, this is something I've already considered.

Blanco

Bwaaaahahahahaha!!!!! You have to be the biggest, fucktard, know-it-all I've ever seen. And after five years on a Honda board, that's saying quite a bit.

Coward, I recommend you either 1) use mass transit or 2) hire a driver. You're so focused on an accident that you stand an extremely high chance of being in one. Energy flows where your attention goes and every ounce of your attention is on "becoming a cripple". It doesn't matter what anyone says to you, you just know better...right? You don't know fucking shit, man. Like I've already told you, you're the kind of scared driver who causes accidents by being overly cautious.

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BrutalB83

What misinformation have I spread? Please let me know because I certainly would like to correct it.

Anyway, like I've told you fifty times already, none of us here are automotive safety engineers, we're just people that like to hop up our econo cars and have a little fun with them. It may very well be possible that you can improve the 92-95 Civic's safety factor, I don't know. Do you know why I don't know? BECAUSE I'M NOT AN AUTOMOTIVE SAFETY ENGINEER, AND NO ONE ELSE ON THIS SITE IS EITHER!!!!!

All we can tell you is what we know, and all we know is that you can reinforce a car for racing purposes through means of a roll cage, spot welding, tube framing, etc. And those things are expensive unless you can do them yourself. That's all we know, ok? There very well may be other, less intrusive ways of doing it that are more cost effective, but we're not going to be able to tell you what those ways are. For that, you're going to need to contact an actual automotive safety engineer, which I've already told you to do multiple times...

Seriously, I don't understand why you're still here. What you're trying to do isn't what the people on this site do. We don't have the answers you want, you don't like and/or consider any of the answers we give you, and you generally seem to think we're a bunch of irresponsible idiots.

So once again, I ask you, why are you still here???

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imzjustplayin

See, now that is a valid answer. If you had stuck with that in the first place, there would be no flaming and I wouldn't be negative 16 points on my rep. How it's suppose to go is I post a thread, others post what they know, I respond and it goes from there. If you had simply said that "I don't know" but here is what I do know "" that would have been fine, though if you have nothing useful to add except to say "you're a stubborn idiot", then don't post, it's really that simple. This post isn't directed at just you but at blanco as well.

Jeef

Obviously you aren't going to find the help you want here, try hondatech We are not crash engineers, try asking on a site where they deal with this stuff. I wouldn't take advice from random people on the net on how to make my car take a crash better.

This thread sucks

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imzjustplayin

I obviously gave this site more credit than it deserved. Though it did teach me something, when an arrogant "know-it-all" comes across something they do not understand, instead of humbling themselves, they show their true colors, that they're really just stupid arrogant fucks who can't be trusted.

get_nick

heres something you need to learn in life. for any situation.

it's not what you say, but how you say it.

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92civicb18b1

kid, you're still playing your "know-it-all" role. Just GTFO

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1992 Civic DX Hatch
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Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp

1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap
1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

Blanco

These are the answers you refused to listen to.
1) It can not be done cheaply.
2 It can not be done by you.
3 It is not practical for a street car.
4) If you're this concerned about safety, give up your dream of owning a Civic and buy something safer.
5) If you're intent, go talk to someone who builds tube frames and/or a structural engineer.

Had you not tried to say "oh, but there is a way, you're just too stupid to know what it is", you wouldn't be in the hot water you're currently in.

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Jeef

With this we are not being dicks, we are telling you the truth. Most of us don't know anything about adding stuff to cars to make it safer for the street. Without proper research you will probably get hurt worse. We are telling you there isn't much you can do. Go to the library, buy some books, or talk to experts in the field. With safety I don't fuck around so I wouldn't do anything without talking to some experts.

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BrutalB83

Many of us did try to politely explain these things to you. You kept ignoring the answers and saying "well I just don't see why it's that hard and why it can't be done cheaply." Your stubbornness contributed greatly to all of this.

You've been arrogant in a way as well. Rather than listening to anything that we said, you just kept saying "well I don't believe that, I think there's an easy way to do it." You didn't put any stock in what we were saying from the very get go, you just assumed we were wrong. Tell me why we're supposed to respect you when you didn't respect us from the very start?

You've also continuously ignored a very valid point that I and others have been making from the very beginning. What you're doing is trying to realize an ideal. Ideals are nice to have, but by their very definition they're usually something that you won't actually achieve. Instead, you make some compromises in order to get as close to your ideal as possible.

Your ideal car is a 95 Civic chassis (because you like the looks), with a 50 mpg engine (because you like the mileage), that's as safe or safer than the newer 01-05 Civic chassis (because safety is important to you), and you want all of this for fairly cheap (who wouldn't?). That's your ideal. It's a nice ideal, but will you realize it? Probably not. So it's time to be realistic about it and decide where you can compromise...

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*Tokico Shocks & Springs
*Megan Strut Braces & H-Brace
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Blanco

Speaking of compromise. Every professional builder in the world, and that includes the engineers at the various auto companies, will say the same thing, "it's all about making the best series of compromises to meet your goal." That's it. You simply can not have everything. And things don't work just because you believe/are confident they will.

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George777

Well said

imzjustplayin

You seem to be confused, "know-it-all" isn't the same as mature. I'm more mature but not necessarily more knowledgeable than the two arrogant fucks I've been flamed by. These two are "know-it-alls", I on the otherhand are obviously NOT a "know-it-all" because if I was, why the hell would I ever have a thread with a question in the title? A 'know-it-all" is just that, know-it-all, there is no hidden meaning, it's pretty obvious. They're know-it-alls because they feel they have the answer, and the answer is that I'm an idiot and I should basically "humble myself" yet they're classic cases of people who offer others humble pie yet refuse to have any themselves.

Blanco

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You fit this, to a T. Why? Because it doesn't matter what anyone tells you, you feel that you are the only person who's correct. Brutal and I actually do have technical knowledge, as do almost all of the other people who've replied to you and told you the exact same things.

I readily admit when I don't know something and if I'm proven incorrect, I accept it. Ask around, you'll see it's true. The only way to gain knowledge is to realize how little you know. This is why you aren't gaining any knowledge.

Your assertion of being "more mature" is absolutely laughable when you continue to act like a spoiled brat. You should take a few seconds to realize that I've been on this forum for five years and that people here know me far better than you do.

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92civicb18b1

Blanco just proved a point for me.

Dude, your parents should have raised you better, you're an arrogant little bitch who has no idea what he's talking about

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2007 Civic
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Previous
1992 Civic DX Hatch
= 1994 B18B1 Turbo
Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp

1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap
1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

BrutalB83

I don't consider myself a know-it-all, not by any means. If anything I say here is wrong than I certainly hope that someone will point it out to me and set me straight. That's one of the ways you learn, by listening to what experienced people are telling you, and then following that up with research.

And just to be perfectly fair, I politely told you several times that what you're asking really isn't what we deal with on this site. I told you that you're asking questions of a structural nature which really should be directed towards an automotive engineer rather than performance enthusiasts. It was only when you ignored the polite and patient responses and kept insisting that it could easily be done did the flaming begin...

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