NSFW Some of that good old Muslim culture we should respect and tolerate

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What have I been saying this entire time??? What you see here is a cultural addition, not Islam. This is not called acceptable behavior in the Qur'an and therefore is not Islam. Or have you not understood this point yet?

I think everyone understands the "They aren't actually muslim because they're crazy" statment

the fact of the matter is a walk of faith is made up of those who claim to be of that sect, and they do. That is the ugly side of Islam, just like there's an ugly side of Christianity or any other faith

Cel might paint an overly dark portrait of what Islam actually is but in my world travel, and life experience your view of their culture is rosey at the very best
 
Because you certainly have the experience to back that up. I am sure that you wouldn't say that if you, say had lived in the Middle East (not just been stationed there but actually lived there), or spent time with a group of Muslims (larger than the three you met at work). There is no way you would make that claim without any actual experience to back it up...
 
oh I forgot, it's only your life experience that's of value and merit

I humbly withdrawal all comments made on my life experience as they pale in comparison to yours

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thank you for proving that your ego makes it impossible for you to consider other peoples views
 
Me: This is what I think

LSVTEC: Well you don't have any experience to base that on

Me: Yes I do see, oh and here's this

LSVTEC: Well your life experience doesn't count

argued like a true liberal
 
"Yeah, it's so much better when it's some dude wearing a wife beater named Jeb. Now, Jeb gets drunk every weekend and beats both his wife and kids because he's upset with his own failures in life. It's so much better because it happens in America to a Christian family"

So Jeb is christian ? Or just an angry drunk ? Because I think you just threw "Christian" in there as an assumption.

Because I know for a fact that Jeb's faith didn't tell him to do that.

Unless his faith is Islam.
 
"Yeah, it's so much better when it's some dude wearing a wife beater named Jeb. Now, Jeb gets drunk every weekend and beats both his wife and kids because he's upset with his own failures in life. It's so much better because it happens in America to a Christian family"

So Jeb is christian ? Or just an angry drunk ? Because I think you just threw "Christian" in there as an assumption.

Because I know for a fact that Jeb's faith didn't tell him to do that.

Unless his faith is Islam.

Thought Islam didn't allow alcohol.

I'll side with you two again (Christ, what's happening to me?!) that no, his faith does not support this. However moderate Islam frowns upon this too. What you are doing is painting all Islamic faith with the same brush. Those guys are nuts. Most muslims aren't. Heck, all the muslims I have known throughout my life have been cool, not the DERKA DERKA MOHAMMED JIHAD nutcases that you are referring to. You're basically doing the same thing that you accuse us "godless heathens" of doing.

Extremist religion = bad, regardless of the religion. Hell, look at some of the far off Mormon sects. That's some out there shit. Again, not all mormons are that way... good friend of mine is Mormon and he's a cool cat.
 
Islam frowns on the abuse of women, and then goes forth to define that most of what you consider abuse is not abuse at all, just the way Mohammed likes things. Dictating the individual actions of women, requiring dress and shame at age 9, what a man can and can't do to a woman of any age above 9, as well as other such things as physical discipline. It's not abuse because it's not called "abuse"
 
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just because you can find an example of it in America does not mean we think it's acceptable and you know that, stop putting words in our mouths. Argue with what we said, not what you wish we would have said.

How to act like a liberal- lesson 2

Reporter: What atrocities do you disagree with?

President Bush: I don't think the torture of Women and Daughters is acceptable

News Headline: Bush supports the torture of Muslim Sons!
 
Islam frowns on the abuse of women, and then goes forth to define that most of what you consider abuse is not abuse at all, just the way Mohammed likes things. Dictating the individual actions of women, requiring dress and shame at age 9, what a man can and can't do to a woman of any age above 9, as well as other such things as physical discipline. It's not abuse because it's not called "abuse"

Again, two things. One, this is extreme Islam you are talking about. Two, this is what happens when religion is law.
 
No, it is not extreme islam I'm talking about. This is Moderate. Progressive Islam allows women to walk with their faces exposed.

Take your viewpoint and kick it up a notch. Extreme Islam stones women to death in public for speaking to someone. That's Extreme.

Moderate is covered women, no right to vote nor take part in government.

And religion to Law is what Sharia is all about. Sharia is Moderate to Extreme. Sharia by definition is not Progressive.
 
No, it is not extreme islam I'm talking about. This is Moderate. Progressive Islam allows women to walk with their faces exposed.

Take your viewpoint and kick it up a notch. Extreme Islam stones women to death in public for speaking to someone. That's Extreme.

Moderate is covered women, no right to vote nor take part in government.

And religion to Law is what Sharia is all about. Sharia is Moderate to Extreme. Sharia by definition is not Progressive.

The difference here is our definition of Moderation with the Muslim definition of moderation
 
Islam frowns on the abuse of women, and then goes forth to define that most of what you consider abuse is not abuse at all, just the way Mohammed likes things. Dictating the individual actions of women, requiring dress and shame at age 9, what a man can and can't do to a woman of any age above 9, as well as other such things as physical discipline. It's not abuse because it's not called "abuse"

Prove it. Show me the Qur'an where this is true.
 
No, it is not extreme islam I'm talking about. This is Moderate. Progressive Islam allows women to walk with their faces exposed.

Take your viewpoint and kick it up a notch. Extreme Islam stones women to death in public for speaking to someone. That's Extreme.

Moderate is covered women, no right to vote nor take part in government.

And religion to Law is what Sharia is all about. Sharia is Moderate to Extreme. Sharia by definition is not Progressive.
Again, not true. Shi'a, even the most extreme Shi'a, do not require the Burka or niqab. In the Qur'an it clearly states that women must have access to the same justice that men do which means equal access to government as well. You really need to start offering proof for the outrageous crap you spew.
 
Me: This is what I think

LSVTEC: Well you don't have any experience to base that on

Me: Yes I do see, oh and here's this

LSVTEC: Well your life experience doesn't count

argued like a true liberal
Hello and welcome to the same old partisan crap. You know, you are responsible for most of this partisan name calling on HS (which so say you so hate...).

Lets see, your experience is all of 3 men you met in the Military. If this qualifies to you as any kind of cross section of opinion or culture then you really need a basic statistics class.
 
Wrong again, Sharia does not imply Sunnah or Shi'a. It only means "Islamic Law". Jaafari is a name used for Shi'a that follow the lineage of all Twelve Imams (as opposed to those that branch before the twelfth) taken from the name of the Sixth Imam, Jafar as-Sadeq. It is not even comparable to the meaning of Sharia. Try again.
 
You were typing as if you saw my "sharia" as "Shia" because you then went on to talk about Shia culture.

I corrected by stating that I (said) Sharia, (and that) Shi'a follow Jaafari.

God you are a hater. Calm down.
 
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