96wgn

Are ebay headers any good? they look like such a good deal. Are any one of you guys using any of these?

AHHVTEC

i would only use them for a bolt on d series

93civicracer

I've got one on my D15B vtec. I got the one from "K2 motorsports" ebay store, chrome finished 2 piece 4-2-1.

The finish is rapidly fading, but that's just cosmetic. Other than that, it does it's job, bolted RIGHT up, and came with 2 o2 sensor bungs with a plug for each, so it'll work on any '89-00 D-series Civic. Not sure if it's making any extra power, but then again I think my cat's taking a dump right now so I'll see about that when I buy a test pipe.

I'd recommend it not for big power gains...but if you need it for the same reason I did. I got it because the old oem iron exhaust manifold looked like hell with dents on the bottom, so it's more of a replacement than bolt-on power to me.

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96wgn

I want to use it on an H22 swap that i'll be doing. i just figured i'd save some money on the header since I'll be spending so much money on everythin else. Why wouldnt it give me big power gains compared to a dc of greddy one? i thought the only concerns would be the quality of the welds and proper fit.

93civicracer

Why do you think DC and Greddy headers are more expensive? It's because they put in a lot of research to come up with the best flow designs to free up more hp.

While ebay header manufacturers are just looking to make something cheap and flashy so they can tell you some bs like "15-20 hp gain" and the ricers will believe it because it's chrome or ceramic coated and looks cool.

My ebay header's holding up great, although I've heard plenty about the welds breaking within 2 weeks, so I looked for one with a 30-day moneyback guarantee and paid like $5 bux more than the rest.

Oh, and the reason I went cheap on the header/exhaust set-up, is because I'm saving up for a nitrous oxide kit and that's where most of my power will come from anyway.

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Luis998

That's what I did when I swapped out to a Z6. It gives the engine bay a "non-stock" look. haha Other than that, I doubt it does much more than look pretty in all its blackness.

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Luis998

If you're going all motor, you're not going to want to skimp out on the header at all. Be prepared to spend upwards of $1,000 for a quality header. It's times like these I wish Blanco were around to chime in.

If you're just wanting something to look "non-stock" then I say go for it. Still, for such a swap, pffft, don't skimp and get something that's worth your while! After all, as you said yourself, you are "spending so much money on everything else" which by that I hope you are getting quality parts, not just brand names...why skimp out on the header, you know? Best of luck on your swap my friend.

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96wgn

Ok, if ebay was out the question i was thinking of getting a dc sports, which will be around 300.... but, what would be a good quality header for 1,000 then.

Luis998

I would stay away from DC. Yeah...DC...no. If I had to guess...and mind you this is PURELY a guess (Blanco, where are you when your knowledge is needed!) I would guess Hytech or ugh...you got me on the other one I have heard of. I'll look it up and try to get back to you.

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93civicracer

Smsc?

And I think you can grab a Spoon header for around $800-1000 at INLINEFOUR.COM - Mon.~Sat. 9:30am~6:30pm PST - 7242 Garden Grove Blvd. Westminster, Ca. 92683 it supposedly releases over 20 hp.

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93civicracer

Oh yea, and what's up with DC's Luis?

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Luis998

haha...I have nothing against them personally. It's all that I have read about and that they are not great, when it comes to buying a quality header. I know that you have one and like I said, I have nothing against them. However, if he is going for an all motor build, he might as well have the best of the best and not skimp out, you know?

What is SMSC?

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93civicracer

Nah I got an ebay header LOL, not DC sports.

SMSC hell I dunno what it is. All I know is that's what Blanco recommends so it must be good, I think it's the same thing as Hytech.

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Luis998

Oh. I thought you were the one that got a DC. haha Don't I feel like a monkeys uncle now.

As far as SMSC goes, if Blanco recommends it, then I would say go for it. He knows what he is talking about. I know there's another one though but I can't remember the name of it to save my life.

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93civicracer

Mugen header - $955
JUN header - $1,005
Spoon header - $830

All good brands from what I've searched but I've never actually tried any of their products.

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93civicracer

This spoon header looks funky and from the description, I'd buy it if I had the cash.



It's for a D-series too!

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UNDR8D

$1000 for one header is fueled by the idiots who pay it. I've read enough about header design and I still don't see what justifies such a price other than an enthusiast inflated value curve...I have a one piece ebay header on my LS. I know it doesn't do anything. If it cracks I'll just weld it. It can't be as bad as the stock manifold and it looks a hell of a lot better. A $1000 header on that motor would probably net me like 10 hp, maybe, on a stock motor. There is no reason to buy a header that nice unless you have a money to burn or a brutal all motor car that requires a precisely engineered exhaust flow to balance the intake side. If I am going to spend that much money on power I am going to get a 16G + other obligatory turbo goods + a used Hondata S300 and go to town....

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93civicracer

It's fueled by those with the high power all motor cars that need the extra power. Sometimes just 5 extra hp can make all the difference at the finish line you never know. That's why they'll pay top dollar for the top of the line parts. But hell, a D-series can only handle like what, 400-450 whp max on BOOST, and would probably be LUCKY to hit 200 hp all motor, so I have NO idea why someone would even bother going all motor let alone $1,000 header on a D.

I would buy the parts if I was rich but since that's not happening any time soon I'm good with my ebay header and soon to come ebay test pipe and exhaust, since I'm just going nitrous on the d15b vtec anyway.

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Luis998

I wouldn't call a person that needs something for their specific build an idiot. If they need it and have the means to get it, especially if it is to complete their build, by all means, have at it. Whenever my build is done, it will be boosted; hence I will be spending my $1,000 plus on piecing together my turbo set up. I wish everyone the best of luck equally, no matter what they are spending their money on...as long as they are not just throwing it away and don't make their engine go boom.

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BrutalB83

It's SMSP actually, check it out: Headers

Their H22 header is $1,150. Oh, and they're not the same thing as Hytech, totally different company: Hy Tech Exhaust----The Leader in Race Exhaust Technology

It is a shit-load of money to pay for a header, but they actually do make decent power on H22s. SMSP's H22 header makes 20 wheel horses, so probably more like 25-30 at the crank. And that's just bolt it on and go, no other modifications or tuning considered. If you're looking to build a nasty N/A car, then a header like that is actually a decent investment.

I agree with you though, for that much money I'd rather buy a turbo...

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Luis998

Thank you so much for posting about the SMSP. Though I have no intent in going all motor, it's nice to know what the header actually is. Rep point for you.

Thanks for posting those links too. Again, I may not use them, but will save them for a rainy day, when someone else might need them.

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UNDR8D

Did anyone make it past the first line of my post? I tried to make it clear that on serious all motor applications, it is very justifiable, or, if you have the money. Otherwise, A GSR with bolt ons does not need a $1000 header.

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96wgn

I guess that answers some of my questions. but 20 whp sounds great.... but again its a $1,000 header. I'm thinking about staying NA for a while but i'd like to build up no a nice NA H22.

BrutalB83

Right, and I completely agree. My point was (and I guess I should have stressed it more) is that those expensive headers on an H22 make more power than they do on the smaller engines, so they're not a horrible investment.

But yeah, I agree, for a DD'd B16/B18 a header like that is overkill. On a side-note though, there was some company making exact replicas of Hytech's tri-y B-series header and selling them on Ebay and Team Integra, they were like 3 or 400 bucks, not bad considering the originals were closer to a grand...

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philyphreak2127

I bought mine cause I had a crack in my exhaust manifold and the finish did change color like the first time I drove the car, but on my downpipe its still all chromed out. I will admit that they do add power but no way do they add as much as those $1000 headers would but I'm sure you could find some used megan or dc headers for much cheaper. just look around. I would have much rather gotten them but my check engine light wouldn't go off because the crack in my manifold was right by the o2 sensor.

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