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B · 09-12-2008, 02:48 AM

i just ran 9's by bounce off my rev limiter 234312 times !!!!11

celmore · 09-12-2008, 04:55 AM

yeah i wish i would have started driving like this at 16! wow ran 11's all day bouncin off limiter! usually run 21's driving my original way! thank god for this forum it has given me more knowledge on "when to shift" then i could have ever imagined!

budda · 09-13-2008, 03:10 PM

I just launch in 5th gear. No shifting necessary

George777 · 09-13-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by budda

I just launch in 5th gear. No shifting necessary

I'd be afraid of blowing up my VTECH on the launch!!! You are brave!

efhondakid · 09-13-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by George777

I'd be afraid of blowing up my VTECH on the launch!!! You are brave!

Set your VTEAACH at like 500rpm, that way your always have that MAD JDM TYTE VEETACH HITTIN Y0!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!11

INJEN78 · 09-13-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

Set your VTEAACH at like 500rpm, that way your always have that MAD JDM TYTE VEETACH HITTIN Y0!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!11

get the pilot racing wheel from autozone for $130(but it has to be the one with the NOS buttons)
bring that shit home and install it,then run a wire from the nos button to the vtec wire,INSTANT VTEC ACTIVATION,combined with rev limiter for 10secs..def. nets you consistent 9.3's

Matts96HB · 09-13-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by E_SolSi

hit the rev limiter count to 10 then shift

I was convinced it was 15?

Or when VTAKK is like

?

efhondakid · 09-13-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by INJEN78

get the pilot racing wheel from autozone for $130(but it has to be the one with the NOS buttons)
bring that shit home and install it,then run a wire from the nos button to the vtec wire,INSTANT VTEC ACTIVATION,combined with rev limiter for 10secs..def. nets you consistent 9.3's

Im going to Autozone right now.

hatukazi · 09-14-2008, 12:06 AM

some funny shit going on here

, but seriously if your tach and speedometer are synchronized you can shift without your clutch.

also called floating the clutch.

budda · 09-14-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by George777

I'd be afraid of blowing up my VTECH on the launch!!! You are brave!

Driving a 20 year old chrysler is bravery enough. But me? I push the envelope. Rev high so the turbo spools and drop that shit into 5th!

George777 · 09-14-2008, 10:22 AM

I heard that pouring some cheap vodka in the gas tank would make your car perform like it was an alcohol blown car. I am going to try that and see if I can run 8's instead of 9's with this method.

budda · 09-14-2008, 11:42 AM

I run sailor jerry all day. Fried my clutch cause it just can't take the power!

caboose · 09-14-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hatukazi

some funny shit going on here

, but seriously if your tach and speedometer are synchronized you can shift without your clutch.

also called floating the clutch.

Do you mean rev matching and shifting without the clutch. If that's the case, then say bye-bye to your syncros

efhondakid · 09-14-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by caboose

Do you mean rev matching and shifting without the clutch. If that's the case, then say bye-bye to your syncros

When you rev match it doesnt use the sychros, a lot of older cars dont even have synchros, so its a must to rev match, even when using the clutch.

caboose · 09-14-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

When you rev match it doesnt use the sychros, a lot of older cars dont even have synchros, so its a must to rev match, even when using the clutch.

I know what rev matching is/does, I'm assuming that's what was meant by "matching the speedo to the tach"

I don't understand the appeal of clutchless shifting. Rough on the trans, plus, if you are looking to get the best times, why not full throttle shift?

hatukazi · 09-14-2008, 11:33 PM

^^^my brother is an OTR trucker, he uses this method to save his clutch (and leg)from wear and tear, in your car most of the time you end up in traffic and can save the clutch for the races.

caboose · 09-14-2008, 11:48 PM

Truck transmissions can't be compared to car transmissions. Trucks don't have syncros, so there isn't any damage done when you don't use the clutch. also trucks have a lot more torque to tear up there clutch with, so it's a benefit to them no to use a clutch.

K2e2vin · 09-15-2008, 08:41 AM

Anytime you use the clutch you're theoretically wearing it out.

Clutchless shifting doesn't harm your synchros/transmission at all unless you're jamming it into gear. If you do it right, the car doesn't jerk at all and is very smooth. I've used it a couple of times when my clutch master cylinder was going out and driving my cousin's HB which has a rediculously strong clutch for his setup(using the clutch made regular driving difficult).

AHHVTEC · 09-15-2008, 11:16 AM

big rig trucks are way different there designed to do that cars are not, now please lock this thread

YBLEGAL · 09-15-2008, 11:41 AM

Waste Of Bandwidth.

Yeah caboose. Google Dog-tooth transmission or a dogbox.

INJEN78 · 09-15-2008, 01:54 PM

when you shift without the clutch in hondas it doesnt ruin anything.unless you grind it or whatever..
you ruin the synchros more by actually using the clutch

budda · 09-15-2008, 10:49 PM

i'm surprised it didn't lock earlier when we were all joking

caboose · 09-16-2008, 10:11 AM

you wear your sycros, because they will be trying to align the gears when you shift, but they can't since your clutch isn't disengauged. Just becasue there is no grinding doesn't mean everything is ok.

newb · 09-16-2008, 10:39 AM

Wrong. Syncros work 100% of the time. In a constant mesh tranny, the syncro turns the next gear at the appropriate speed to shift without grinding, rather the clutch is engadged or not.

caboose · 09-16-2008, 11:00 AM

Sorry, what I meant was that you syncros will be working to align the "dog teeth" which lock the gears to the shaft, although constant mesh doesn't mean constant synchronized.

Constant mesh means all the teeth of the gears are always engaged, but only one is locked onto the shaft at any given time. If you change gears, the input and output shafts have to be synchronized with each other, hence the need for syncros.

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Synchromesh

If the teeth, the so-called dog teeth, make contact with the gear, but the two parts are spinning at different speeds, the teeth will fail to engage and a loud grinding sound will be heard as they clatter together. For this reason, a modern dog clutch in an automobile has a synchronizer mechanism or synchromesh, where before the teeth can engage, a cone clutch is engaged which brings the selector and gear to the same speed. Moreover, until synchronization occurs, the teeth are prevented from making contact, because further motion of the selector is prevented by a blocker (or "baulk") ring. When synchronization occurs, friction on the blocker ring is relieved and it twists slightly, bringing into alignment certain grooves and notches that allow further passage of the selector which brings the teeth together. Of course, the exact design of the synchronizer varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.
The synchronizer[1] has to change the momentum of the entire input shaft and clutch disk. Additionally, it can be abused by exposure to the momentum and power of the engine itself, which is what happens when attempts are made to select a gear without fully disengaging the clutch. This causes extra wear on the rings and sleeves, reducing their service life. When an experimenting driver tries to "match the revs" on a synchronized transmission and force it into gear without using the clutch, the synchronizer will make up for any discrepancy in RPM. The success in engaging the gear without clutching can deceive the driver into thinking that the RPM of the layshaft and transmission were actually exactly matched. Nevertheless, approximate "rev-matching" with clutching can decrease the general delta between layshaft and transmission and decrease synchro wear.

09-14-2008, 12:06 AM	#34
hatukazi ambitious...but rubbish Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Big Lake, MN Posts: 505 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 Si hatch GSR swap Rep Power: 17	some funny shit going on here, but seriously if your tach and speedometer are synchronized you can shift without your clutch. also called floating the clutch. __________________ I live my life a quarter mile at a time, thats how far I get before I break down.

09-14-2008, 11:33 PM	#41
hatukazi ambitious...but rubbish Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Big Lake, MN Posts: 505 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 Si hatch GSR swap Rep Power: 17	^^^my brother is an OTR trucker, he uses this method to save his clutch (and leg)from wear and tear, in your car most of the time you end up in traffic and can save the clutch for the races. __________________ I live my life a quarter mile at a time, thats how far I get before I break down.

09-14-2008, 11:48 PM	#42
caboose I still know everything Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hamilton, MI Age: 21 Posts: 414 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89 CRX HF, 96 Accord EX, 88 Dodge Daytona Shelbyz T-tops Rep Power: 18	Truck transmissions can't be compared to car transmissions. Trucks don't have syncros, so there isn't any damage done when you don't use the clutch. also trucks have a lot more torque to tear up there clutch with, so it's a benefit to them no to use a clutch. __________________ Formerly the.original.kermit Back from the dead... twice I NEED PARTS!!! http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trade-wanted/wtb-1989-crx-parts-161172/#post1079066 Check out my progress... http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-media/my-1989-crx-project-144941/

09-15-2008, 08:41 AM	#43
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,358 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	Anytime you use the clutch you're theoretically wearing it out. Clutchless shifting doesn't harm your synchros/transmission at all unless you're jamming it into gear. If you do it right, the car doesn't jerk at all and is very smooth. I've used it a couple of times when my clutch master cylinder was going out and driving my cousin's HB which has a rediculously strong clutch for his setup(using the clutch made regular driving difficult). __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

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B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: across the way Age: 29 Posts: 8,018 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 318ti, dakota, genesis 2.0t Rep Power: 403	i just ran 9's by bounce off my rev limiter 234312 times !!!!11

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celmore Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1999 Honda Civic EX Rep Power: 3	yeah i wish i would have started driving like this at 16! wow ran 11's all day bouncin off limiter! usually run 21's driving my original way! thank god for this forum it has given me more knowledge on "when to shift" then i could have ever imagined!

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09-16-2008, 10:11 AM	#48
caboose I still know everything Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hamilton, MI Age: 21 Posts: 414 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89 CRX HF, 96 Accord EX, 88 Dodge Daytona Shelbyz T-tops Rep Power: 18	you wear your sycros, because they will be trying to align the gears when you shift, but they can't since your clutch isn't disengauged. Just becasue there is no grinding doesn't mean everything is ok. __________________ Formerly the.original.kermit Back from the dead... twice I NEED PARTS!!! http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trade-wanted/wtb-1989-crx-parts-161172/#post1079066 Check out my progress... http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-media/my-1989-crx-project-144941/

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