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$1,200 Turbo Setup Help

Discussion in 'Forced Induction' started by formby, Sep 26, 2004.

  1. formby

    formby learning in progress

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    this is my set up
    1990 b18a block:full rebuild, decked,stock rods pist. bored .50,arp rod bolts, Type R oil cooler, arp head studs, stock head gasket
    2000 b16head Stock W/adj gears (shaved)
    OBD0 pr3 w/spoon chip
    10.3 wires OBX
    msd 6a,blaster3 coil
    new tuner toys 450dsm injectors
    ZEX kit with separate fuel sorce 50/50 mix of 104/avgas mix for nos only 100shot
    ^removing^ saving until i get forged internals

    I have 1.2k to spend on a custom kit i am not sure the best combination
    i am def getting a drag log manifold,custom 3" exhaust, 3" down pipe
    FMU??
    MAP OR missing link??
    good intercooler what kind. dont mind used or from dsm???
    i want a T3/T4 just dont know the best comb....so many different kinds...or the best used turbo for aprox 250hp+/- with my set up. please help.
    its going in my 91 CrX:imgone:
    i've done research just need some advise. i work hard for my money and i dont want to waste it!! thanks. J.P
    :D
     
  2. NotUrAverage_Si

    NotUrAverage_Si Senior Member

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    You can find a brand new JohnnyRaceCarintercooler for less than $200. Many people have used them without any problems. Right now the only way to buy one is off of Ebay here: http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopag...osortpropertyZ1

    A Precision SC34 will get you to 250whp. Check here. There are always people selling turbo's on there.
     
  3. formby

    formby learning in progress

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    thanks. how many lbs of boost do you think this set up can handle ...i also have a block guard
     
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    NotUrAverage_Si Senior Member

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    It's not really how much psi the motor can handle but rather how much horsepower the motor will hold.

    Your motor will be able to hold 250whp but I would seriously consider fuel upgrades such as bigger injectors, either some rc 440's or some 440cc dsm injectors and an upgraded fuel pump like a walbro 255LpH. The second thing is an engine management system such as hondata, AEM, or in your case (since your on a budget) uberdata. Then take your motor to get dyno tuned by someone who has experience in your local area. Your motor will not last long on an FMU. Some people have good luck with them but most don't. So 2 things, #1 Fuel upgrades and #2 an EMS and then hit the dyno for some tuning.


    *EDIT*

    One more thing, you may want to lower your compression ratio either with a thicker headgasket or low compression pistons. You'll most likely want a compression ratio between 9.0:1 and 9.8:1 but if the tuner you take your car to has experience tuning motors with higher compression ratios than the ones I listed then you should be ok.
     
  5. formby

    formby learning in progress

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    i have the injectors(look again)
    the fuel pump is on the way
    about the ecu ...is the spoon chipped ecu not good???
    arent the ls pistons low cr


    also where can i get the map sensor/missing link(how does it install)
     
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    Slammed90Lude Senior Member

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    is it a legit spoon chipped ECU or is it ebay 20 dollar 9:1 fuel/air ration crap?

    either way, a generic chip is not going to be the best way to make boosted HP
     
  7. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    throw out that spoon chip. the igniotn advace is WAAAAAAAAY too much for a boosted car. its going to give you problems.

    remove the block gaurd. those things to do nothing but create a hotspot up top and cause detnation. sleeve cracking starts in the middle of the sleeve where the rod angle is the most 'outward' and puts the most stress on the sleeve.

    ls pistons in the setup you have is perfectly boost friendly.

    sell the msd shit and buy an uberdata system and some dyno time.

    all blaster coils do is fry ignitors. your stock ingition system is more than enough for your goal/plans.... as it is with my setup as well. no you have more money for uberdata/chips/burner and some dyno time.
    THATS whats going to make you make safe, reliable power.

    fuck FMU's. and besides, you can't use it with those large of an injector anyway- you will flood at idel. get uberdata. its perfect for your set up/budget.

    dumping 800 on a precision turbo is a bad way to buget your 1200 bucks. look around the classifeds here and honda-tech.com for a used t3/t04e from a drag turbo kit or somethign liek it. you can probably pick one up for 400 bucks- and will easily get you to 250+

    if you get uberdata- get a GM 3-bar map sensor, so that you don't top out your car at 9psi. i'd say its going to take between 11 and 13 to get you to 250.
     
  8. formby

    formby learning in progress

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    thank u
    i am kicking my self in the ass for spending 230 bucks on the ecu but the guy told me that this ecu learns what the car has?????????the ecu has a warranty and everything...good?? hes on ebay but it seems more legit than the crappy Chip...right?

    :bash:

    so just the uberdata / turbo,manifold/oil kit/ fmic /piping/3 bar map sensor???


    thanks
     
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    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    learns? lmao. sure it does.

    and i have 34234234234 hp in my ford escort wagon. and it runs 3's :D

    more later--- gotta run
     
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    no biggie- ebay the entire ecu. ubderdata only works on obd1 ecu's anyway, so you're goin gto have to go through with that conversion process as well.
    you'll need to match the distributor to the ecu. other than a couple odd plugs, its pretty straight forward.

    so, if you get 200 for the computer on ebay to some ricer :D that leaves you 125 to get a p28, 50 to get some chips, the socket and some soldering stuff, and a couple more bucks for a chip burner (well, a lot- about 180 from xtronics, but there may be other options)
     
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    so there is no way that i could use that ecu until i can afford somethig else...i dont know ho to chip or anything like that...
    my boy told me that he can get microtech installed and tuned on my car for about 1.5k it would take me 3 months to get the money could i use the fuking ecu until then
    IAMSOPISSEDOFF
    i do have a obd0 pr4 ecu in my closet
    but i dont like to use the switch for vtec
     
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    formby learning in progress

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    this th exact ecu i bought Just copy and paste tiltle on ebay or the listing #
    PR3 OBD0 MUGEN OR SPOON RACE ECU CIVIC CRX INTEGRA VTEC
    Item number: 7924581110
     
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    $1200 will get you parts, but unless you're decent with the rom burner or willing to accept the limitations of the VAFC, you are not going to be able to afford tuning.

    $1200 spent on whores and Corona is better spent than $1200 on a turbo setup without tuning.
     
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    i just got my moates.net burner for $85, works great and easy to operate. they sell chipping supplies/chips as well. they have a tutorial on how to chip your ecu here.. http://www.moates.net/documentation.php?documentation_id=17 . pretty basic shit. check out http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/ for more info on uberdata and the like. good luck.
     
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    can i use the chips and burner for turbo edit. i have obd0 and would need to use turbo edit....has any one ever used turbo edit...what other things would i need to make chips....
     
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    TurboEdit /= my territory

    A chip burner and basic soldering equipment is all you need to "burn chips". Writing an EPROM that is worth anything is a totally different story.
     
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    Dude you want to turbo your b18, here we go, XS-power.com, you can get a bitchin manifold, tail wastegate, and a t3/t4 turbo for 600 bucks with a blow off valve that sucks ass. I have been a b16 full built pushing 18 psi off this kit, no problems. I have a jonnyracecar intercooler that works fine just got to use ice at the track, live in california, palmdale. Bought my oil lines off ebay for like 50 bucks and made the return line with some fitting and hose from a performance shop. Had all my piping made at the performance shop that i am sponcered by. Ohh the kit also come with a downpipe and elbow for connection with all bolts and flenges. I have only spent like 1300 on my kit when I first put it together then I started upgrading as I cranked the boost from 10.2 to 18 something. You can do it just look around but the turbo spools hard on my motor it hits about 2700 and cracks to 18psi at about 3000. Think about it.
    Charlie

    Need some help contact me at 661 878 4361 and please don't everyone call me I only answer for my call list, so just leave a message. Race hard win some break some parts and fix it with the money you won. push it to the limit
    B)
     
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