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12 sec all motor for 4 grand?

Discussion in 'Engine Building' started by no2psi, Oct 11, 2003.

  1. no2psi

    no2psi Senior Member

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    This is the goal. I think it will be close.
    I got the car for $900.00 its a 91 Civic Hatch.
    I will post dyno numbers and times slips as they arrive.
    Oh, yea this will be a street legal car also.
     
  2. no2psi

    no2psi Senior Member

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    Just got back from the dyno.
    Here is the set up.
    b18a block with ctr pistons
    b16a head deburred by me
    match ported intake manifold and overbored thottle body.
    JG springs and retainers
    01 ITR cams
    Custom side exit header.
    VAFC
    Dynoed at 196 hp and 137lb torque.
    I dont think 12's will be a problem.
     
  3. SleEPeR_CRX

    SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member

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    is there anything else dont to the block besides b16a pistons? cause if there isnt, u might be running 12's for about 2 weeks. then Kablamo!
     
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    no2psi Senior Member

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    yea, it was rehoned. And I used new bearings.
    Stock rods and rod bolts.
    Dont believe the hype.
    I have seen people blow up motors with ARP bolts. I think it is all about the build. Everything is loose. All clearances are on the big end.
    I have allready put a couple thousand miles on it.
    Spun it, its well built. I built it so I know it will work. No worries. ;)
    I will attach a spread sheet later on costs and dyno graphs.
     
  5. SleEPeR_CRX

    SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member

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    i dont care how good u built it, the rods are still stock, and u take that puppy up over 7500 a few times and kablamo. u shoulda put b16a rods in there while u did the pistons, then u woulda been fine, but LS rods cant do shit over 7500. trust me, im building an LS without vtec, and it cant take the load over 7500, so add vtec to that mix, and u got a bomb after 7500.
     
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    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    Dude, shut the fuck up you are so damed clueless. I ran stock LS rods up to 8000 for almost a year and no problems. Have you actually witnessed LS rods fail at 8000 RPM where a "stronger" rod would have survived? If not then just shut up because you have no idea what you are talking about. If so I want the complete story around the failure not just some pics of a blown engine.
     
  7. GSRCRXsi

    GSRCRXsi Super Moderator Moderator VIP

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    . Have you actually witnessed LS rods fail at 8000 RPM where a "stronger" rod would have survived? If not then just shut up because you have no idea what you are talking about. If so I want the complete story around the failure not just some pics of a blown engine. [/quote]
    not to mention the fact that putting b16 rods in there will do you no good. he put the b16 pistons in there for higher compression, you put the b16 rods in there and all you will do is lower it again, you would lose power
     
  8. wildbillhatchbac

    wildbillhatchbac the OG VIP

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    i'm runnin stock ls rods in my motor with jdm b16 pistons, crower cams and springs, in a p&p head. i still have the stock ecu so i can't rev over 7k but with the stress of the higher compression the ls rods are holding up fine for over 10k miles now.
     
  9. phunky.buddha

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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    :owned: not once...but numerous times

    How's your ass feel after you've been owned so many times in one thread? :lol:
     
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    Off topic!!!!
    Chexk the sig!!! The pimpin' shand is strong once more, fools!!!! Woke up bettweeen 2 hot biotheces in my bvoxeers. Life doesn't get mouch bettter than that!!!!1

    Ogh and good lycj wiuth talht goal of 12's with 4 g's wotj a dsm. Not goonna gappen. Maybe if you vhop it in half. Just kee[ the front wheels to pull it and chop the back of the car oofff..
    My breath smells like buchs light!!!!!! SStiilll!!!!!!!!!
     
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    You got fuckin welding gloves on or somethin?????? Damn that typing is bad... :lol: :lol: :lol:

    j/k Yeah i know, your shitfaced.
     
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    Sorry, had to post one more, just to make it 400 posts
     
  14. get_nick

    get_nick These snozzberries taste like snozzberries... VIP

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    people think 12's are easy all motor. news flash, it's not easy. don't you think everybody with a 195 hp typeR would run 12's stock. they don't. i'm not hating but i think you need to get real. but i would LOVE to be proved wrong.
     
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    that is a pretty good setup, weather it lasts or not is another question. i think a high 12 is possible with VERY good traction, under the best of conditions. 91 hatches are hella light, hope you gutted that shit man.
     
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    Well, I put this up here to show people you need to spend a ton of money to go fast.
    But need to do most of your own work to keep cost down. You also need to have a creative approach towards problem solving. Dont just throw money at it.

    Sleeper CRX,- I believe you have been misinformed. The rods dont fail after 7500 rpm's. I have personally seen 9200 rpms with these rods. I see that you building an allmotor LS. Thats fine if you want to be different. But a VTEC head will outflow the LS right out of the box. And you will have to spend more to get the same results.


    Khrisb- Going fast is all about horsepower to weight ratio, and traction. The car will have to pull a 1.8xx 60 foot give or take. The rest will be easy.

    Get nick- I have been racing Hondas for several years now. And I know what it takes.
    Your example however is flawed. A Type R makes 195 at the crank and weighs 2639.
    Thats curb weight taken from "edmunds.com" I belive curb weight is with a full tank of gas. Still Very close to 2800 with driver. My crank rated Hp would be around 220 to 230 and a car and driver weight or 2000 to 2100. I know your not "hateing". And it will be close. I will know in the next couple of weeks.

    Ek9r- Your right it will be very close. Gonna have to nail some 60 foots and go on a diet. ;)

    I have gone over budget but not by much. I will post dynos when they email them.


    Cost spread sheet
     
  17. pissedoffsol

    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    i got $50 it doesn't happen.

    E put 188/132, and ran a 14.6 i think it was in a 2450 lb car.
    you won't hit a 1.8 60' without slicks. end of story.
    2.0 is tough on street tires.
    and if you don't have an LSD, so ad a tenth right there.
    you never mentioned what tranny you are using... and what tire size...
     
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    Your absolutely right it will need slicks. I have a set of 22x8x13 MandH and a set of 24.5x9x13 Hoosier. Mostly likey gonna use the 22's I have a YS1 tranny from a 93 GSR.
     
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    No shit. I know what it takes to go fast. That was a drunked post up there. I think it says something like...You won't hit 12's in a dsm for 4 g's unless you take that money and buy a sawzall and cut the car in half. and run like some roller skate wheels in the back or something. I don't know. I was drunk. The post wasn't supposed to make sense. I don't remember...
     
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    Even then a Type R only puts down 160 to 170 whp. 30 extra horses goes a long ways.
    If the car is light enough. The key is weight. The first motor i put in my race only made 195whp. And it ran 12.03 and weighed 1750. I am not sure what this car weighs but I am hoping 2100 with me in it. It will be close. 12.99 will have to be a near perfect run.
     
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