200 whp B16a2
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Originally posted by khrisb+Oct 10 2003, 03:39 PM -->
He could be like me and not care about quarter mile times, but care more about the power curve and overall output and how it behaves on the road course... actually, that IS what B16 here cares about.
B16@Oct 10 2003, 03:43 PM
that is for the next B16
Gotcha.
Uh...read the title to the thread: ALL MOTOR, ALL B16... I don't want to add displacement, using parts or artificial displacement (turbo, SC, or n2o).
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
I'm not too sure I care about a time at the track, because if I do I'll want to run high 12s. But the nearest track is over an hour away, that's too long of a drive to sit with anxiety waiting.
Originally posted by Calesta+Oct 10 2003, 04:00 PM-->
He could be like me and not care about quarter mile times, but care more about the power curve and overall output and how it behaves on the road course... actually, that IS what B16 here cares about.
Oh yeah! Hadn't thougth of that. I'd just like to go fast in a straight line. I sometimes forget other people don't.
And I was just kidding about the NAWS. Too much of that and you'll blow the welds on the intake...
Bore, stroke, block design, head design, port behavior, cam control........ there are TONS of differences between the K block (F20C) and the B16.
All I'm saying is if Honda can make an F20 that efficient, I'm sure there's gotta be a way to get a B16 to handle that. I guess my only options would be to upgrade with B18 parts thereby upping my displacement to 1.8L and go from there with ITR internals/externals and aftermarket intake/cams/exhaust with a full port and polish on everything.
200 whp Is a definite possibility with a B16 stroked to 1.8, I think so anyway.
Any other comments/suggestions/opinions?
Eventually I CAN turbo the car, I do have a Air Research Garrett T3 turbo sittin here doin nothing, which I only paid $125 for.
200 whp Is a definite possibility with a B16 stroked to 1.8, I think so anyway.
Any other comments/suggestions/opinions?
Eventually I CAN turbo the car, I do have a Air Research Garrett T3 turbo sittin here doin nothing, which I only paid $125 for.
Just because one Honda engine can make 200whp doesn't mean another one can... The S2000's block is a superior design compared to the B16. It's 10 years newer.
I respect your opinion Mike. But to me, that's like saying a crappy car such as an Escort GT for example, cannot & will not ever run 12 second quarter miles.
I think with Integra Type R stuff in, I can give the car 195 flywheel hp, from there I think it'd be possible to get another 10-20 hp from mods.
What do ya think?
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Oct 10 2003, 05:56 PM
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
Dude you suck at math. 240/2.0liters = 120hp per liter.
Stock b16 produces 160hp with 1.6 liters aka 100hp/liter. Then lets say you build it to out perform a b16b, at lets say 200hp, now your at roughly 125 hp/liter. Your in a sence, out performing the s2k powerplant. But remember, the s2k may have 240 hp, but it does not put 240 down to the ground, same with that engine. To get to 200 whp, you would have to add about 35-40 more crank HP to b16's setting, which is about 230-240 hp. That is a fucking big boost in HP and b16's was already mildly built. B16's b16 put out 170 hp to the ground. Now multiply that by 15 percent (loss from drivetrain) and you got almost exactly 200bhp.
K2e2vin
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the best replacement for displacement is revs. ever wonder how f1 cars with 3.0L v10s make 800hp NA?
if you can make more torque higher in the rpm band you can make 200whp NA. Use the b16's short stroke to your advantage, because the stroke is smaller it uses smaller rods, which would reduce the reciprocating mass and rev quicker. A ITR final drive would probally help the car also because of the lack of low-end torque.
I got that part, I watch F1 al the time here, but revving to 15,000,000,000,000+ rpms is going to cost more than boring it out, and adding displacement. Also revving to 15,000,000,000,000+ isn't practical for driving down the street, so you want power under 10,000, and that is done by displacing more air/fuel.
K2e2vin
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with about 120lbs torque at arund 8500rpm, you'll have 200hp with the b16. i suggested the ITR final drive to help acceleration because of the lack of low-end; torque multiplication. bringing the b16 to around 8500rpm shouldnt be hard, since the type-r's have redline at 8400rpm. with the rebore you use a bigger piston, which is heavier and will rev slower than the smaller one.
In the end, I think that it is obvious that it will be much cheaper in the end to run a GSR or pick up an LS block for that head, than to throw an assload of $ at a (200WHP maybe) B16. The S2K is a shitty comparison because that head is lightyears above any other Honda effort (showroom at least).
Originally posted by asmallsol+Oct 11 2003, 05:44 PM-->@Oct 10 2003, 05:56 PM
If Honda can throw 240 hp on a 2.0 and get 140 hp per liter, why can't I have 200 hp out of a 1.6L?
Dude you suck at math. 240/2.0liters = 120hp per liter.
Stock b16 produces 160hp with 1.6 liters aka 100hp/liter. Then lets say you build it to out perform a b16b, at lets say 200hp, now your at roughly 125 hp/liter. Your in a sence, out performing the s2k powerplant. But remember, the s2k may have 240 hp, but it does not put 240 down to the ground, same with that engine. To get to 200 whp, you would have to add about 35-40 more crank HP to b16's setting, which is about 230-240 hp. That is a fucking big boost in HP and b16's was already mildly built. B16's b16 put out 170 hp to the ground. Now multiply that by 15 percent (loss from drivetrain) and you got almost exactly 200bhp.
ex-fucking-scuse me, I was typing fast. I didn't do any math at the time, I was just tryin to remember what i heard and go from that. :roll:
