Ha, you're going to try to turn this into an argument about spelling and grammar? For the record, the spelling really wasn't poor at all and the grammar was typical to an online forum and not a MLA style research paper.
Now onto the crap you said. What I said was about manufacturers as wholes and not specific car models. Both of the surveys you posted are specific to models and not manufacturers in general; they do not support your overly generalized statements that you made earlier.
I only mentioned the top of the line models because of course they're world renowned and emphasize my point; don't make blanketed statements about a car manufacturer. German cars are obviously all they're cracked up to be because they dominate the top segment of the market. Does any other manufacturer dominate the top of the segment as well as the Germans? I think not. Japanese luxury and now some American luxury are near holding a candle to the Germans, but the Germans still are on top of the game.
Now you're going to say, "just because many people buy the car doesn't mean its a good car," and to that I say that the masses with money aren't idiots. They buy the car for the reputation which it gained through its prestige and relability. Furthermore the list was compiled by the editors of Consumer Reports who do not provide any evidence to support their claims. I know the Jetta is on the list for the sole reason that the Consumer Report editors do not like the 1.8t turbo engine that they've reamed in their evaluation of the car in different issues. They ream an engine that makes max power and torque at 3000rpm all the way to the end of the redline with the only known problem being a coil pack thats long since been fixed. Seems like a logical reason to dislike the car, huh? ...no.
You can't just post some surveys, one from customers opinions that are not backed by facts, and the other a completely bias evaluation by Consumer Report editors and take them as the word of the gospel.
"Based on more than 250,000 responses to the 2004 Annual Questionnaire, covering the 2002 to 2004 model years. Charts show the percentage of owners who said they would definitely buy or lease that make and model again."
"About these lists
The lists are compiled from overall reliability data covering 1997-2004 models. CR Good Bets and CR Bad Bets include only the models for which we have sufficient data for at least three model years. Models that were new in 2003 or 2004 do not appear. Problems with the engine, engine cooling, transmission, and drive system were weighted more heavily than other problems. The abbreviations 2WD, 4WD, and AWD stand for two-, four-, and all-wheel drive, respectively. " Basically if you have a coilpack problem, a leaky head gasket problem, etc., etc. even if it may be covered by warranty/recall and replaced for free than Consumer Reports will still rip the car apart.
I can bet that Consumer Reports may say that the Mitsu Evo VIII and the Subby WRX STI may be nice rally cars but not very nice daily drivers. I think you and the others guy on here would tend to disagree with that evaluation which just goes to show that bias car evaluations aren't the best evidence to base your argument on.
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