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Honestly B, - me being a "former Right-wing guy" - I was expecting a stupid, slanted conspiracy theory movie.

What I did watch was a very factual, and very informative documentary. I may be late to the party, but this changes my whole view on the situation.

i warned all of you......

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Gah!!! I need to watch this! :laugh:

yes you do. its basically all live news images AS it happened, and documents that were uncovered using the freedom of information act.

not to mention, you can CLEARLY see as tower 1 falls that it is get blasted demolition style.


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just download the whole thing and watch it in a week :laugh:

:werd:

go to a lybrary in a neighboring town or some shit...
 
I was kinda skeptic about the demo'ing as it fell, because it could just be blow-out as the middle of the building collapsed. But why does it only blow-out of one window?

That and the NYFD testimony kinda makes me triple-guess all of that stuff. *shrug*
 
i can't open this from work ;(.....But, i sitll believe the attack on the Pentagon was not a 747 airplane......and the only thing above all that makes me convinced is the fact that the gov. took all the videos from the surronding stores and never released them....those could easily shoowed what hit....if they wanted to squash this whle theory...they could release the video showing the "Alleged" plane hitting the pentagon...but they don't because it wasn't a 747 plane
 
Yeah, me being an engineering student - and taking materials science - allows me to not belive that a 100-ton aircraft made a 16 foot wide hole, and then disentigrated after going through 9 feet of concrete.
 
i've been looking for this video, haven;t watched it yet but will definately find some time to see it...

this "attack" pushed the public opinion towards war with anyone who "attacked" the US

and only time will tell is very true

but most people still believe pearl harbor was a "suprise attack" when if fact we provoked japan into attacking us and full well knew when it was coming...

suprise attack = instant launch to war...

if you want to know whos behind it just ask yourself WHO BENEFITS?
 
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I was kinda skeptic about the demo'ing as it fell, because it could just be blow-out as the middle of the building collapsed. But why does it only blow-out of one window?

That and the NYFD testimony kinda makes me triple-guess all of that stuff. *shrug*
screw the testmony... ITS ON FILM. when the tripod shoock what was it, 8 seconds before the building dropped?

and the janitor's eye witness testimony? he thought a generator blew up. thats a bang if you ask me. chances are, hes been a blue-collar guy his whole life, and probably knows his way around basic maintenence...

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i can't open this from work ;(.....But, i sitll believe the attack on the Pentagon was not a 747 airplane......and the only thing above all that makes me convinced is the fact that the gov. took all the videos from the surronding stores and never released them....those could easily shoowed what hit....if they wanted to squash this whle theory...they could release the video showing the "Alleged" plane hitting the pentagon...but they don't because it wasn't a 747 plane

:fosho:

there's ZERO evidence of a plane. none.


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Yeah, me being an engineering student - and taking materials science - allows me to not belive that a 100-ton aircraft made a 16 foot wide hole, and then disentigrated after going through 9 feet of concrete.

and me being a magician cannot beleive that they were able to hide EVERY piece of the plane instantly :p
 
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Wheres Celerity with a thread like this?
I'm here.


I've reviewed so much tape, and I recorded everything on the TV that day, and traded with others as well. I woke up with the first tower hit, and I loaded up the shortwave, the newsfeeds and the TVs. I got on the phone with 911, and I talked to FEMA and the NOAA briefly during it as well.

I also grew up in Somerset PA, and I know the landowners where the plane fell. I've been on the land, and I saw shit that blew my mind about the whole incident.

I've known it was a mystery, to say the least, from the moment the second plane came in.

Tower 7 is a fraud. Follow the money, it's that simple. 3 F18s were dispatched at 10:00 to intercept and gun down a 4th plane (which more than likely landed in the ocean) and flight 93 didn't even land where on the property in PA that you would think. They dug out a trench on the front of the property, about 1/2 mile from the actual wreckage to give something for the cameras to look at. Then there is the "Missile" footage that would blow your mind (I haven't seen this video yet in this thread, I plan to when I get home) but I have lots of other footage of a missile loaded onto the belly of the planes. I'm willing to bet the planes were empty - completely empty - and that those people on the manifest were abducted or simply made up. I also know that more than 3,000 people died that day - and I said this from the 12th day - because I used to work in those buildings and they have more than 3000 people in there during the night. At that time in the morning, they have more than 8000 people, and the time from the hit to the collapse couldn't see the evacuation of all of them. Sam Sloan said, that day, "They will tell you that a low number of people died, but they are lying. There is no way that less than 10,000 people died in those collapses". Sam is a crazy sunovabitch, but he's rarely wrong and his taxi was parked outside of the plaza that morning.

This is a nothing operation for a black op government (We've been running black ops since the turn of the last century, so don't give me any Bush bullshit). I've seen, with my own eyes, weather control devices, Philadelphia experiment-type shit, levitation and a superconductor / anti gravity machine built in someone's basement. I know a guy who bought a Ford Taurus and it didn't need gas for a whole month, which is when someone "stole it" and he got a new one that day (That didn't get more than 3 days before needing gas). There is so wild shit out there, right now, and the 9/11 thing is only a small part of it.

As far as declaring war, I do believe something was diverted with Iraq, and I believe that it brought the Muslim ear to stand at attention. And I think that Iran is more than willing to follow up with their threats, and North Korea, and finally Syria / Turkish relations will spark off the "final war", or WWIII, wherein we'll see technology and events of a biblical proportion. It will look, basically, like the opening scenes of "Left Behind" because we have that technology (To drop planes from the sky)

And I think that 9/11's main purpose was to get all air traffic out of US airspace for over 1 week. That was key. No planes were allowed to fly. Also, about a month after that a group of British paratroopers were trapped in a cave in the northern part of Mexico and I think this needs to be evaluated (I don't have these links here at work, but if you need to feel free to message me or bear with me to put up my news references.)

-> Steve

It should also be noted that a plane, even a 747, is flimsy in comparison to a steel reinforce concrete structure. It will crumple like a tin can. It will also burn completely in the temperatures recorded in the building. And the Pentagon is America's ONLY fortress. It is designed to withstand missile hits. It is the ONLY structure on US soil, still occupied, designed as a real, fortified, Fortress.
 
I thought this was interesting, not sure if its repost or not but its only a few months old...after watching the towers fall, it makes perfect sense to me

9/11 Conspiracy: Controlled Demolition Dropped WTC
by KEVIN BARRETT (MUJCA.COM

(Oct 21, 2005)In two speeches to overflow crowds in New York last weekend, noted theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by controlled demolition with explosives.

Despite the many enduring mysteries of the 9/11 attacks, Dr. Griffin concluded, "It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."

On Oct. 15th and 16th, New Yorkers filled two venues to hear the prominent theologian and author of two books on 9/11 give a presentation entitled "The Destruction of the Trade Towers: A Christian Theologian Speaks Out."

Dr. Griffin has continued to blaze a trail of courage, leading where most media and elected officials have feared to tread. His presentation went straight to the core of one of the most powerful indictments of the official story -- the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC-7.

9/11 Conspiracy: Controlled Demolition Dropped WTC (continued)
by KEVIN BARRETT (MUJCA.COM



Dr. Griffin included excerpts from the firemen's tapes which were recently released as a result of a prolonged court battle led by victimís families represented by attorney Norman Siegel and reported in the NY Times.

He also included statements by many witnesses. These sources gave ample testimony giving evidence of explosions going off in the buildings. A 12 minute film was shown for the audiences, who saw for themselves the undeniable evidence for controlled demolition.

Dr. Griffin listed ten characteristics of the collapses which all indicate that the buildings did not fall due to being struck by planes or the ensuing fires.

He explained the buildings fell suddenly without any indication of collapse.

They fell straight into their own footprint at free-fall speed, meeting virtually no resistance as they fell -- a physical impossibility unless all vertical support was being progressively removed by explosives severing the core columns.

The towers were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 and 160 mile per hour winds, and nothing about the plane crashes or ensuing fires gave any indication of causing the kind of damage that would be necessary to trigger even a partial or progressive collapse, much less the shredding of the buildings into dust and fragments that could drop at free-fall speed.

The massive core columns -- the most significant structural feature of the buildings, whose very existence is denied in the official 9/11 Commission Report -- were severed into uniform 30 foot sections, just right for the 30-foot trucks used to remove them quickly before a real investigation could transpire.

There was a volcanic-like dust cloud from the concrete being pulverized, and no physical mechanism other than explosives can begin to explain how so much of the buildings' concrete was rendered into extremely fine dust.

The debris was ejected horizontally several hundred feet in huge fan shaped plumes stretching in all directions, with telltale "squibs" following the path of the explosives downward.

These are all facts that have been avoided by mainstream and even most of the alternative media. Again, these are characteristics of the kind of controlled demolitions that news people and firefighters were describing on the morning of 9/11.

Those multiple first-person descriptions of controlled demolition were hidden away for almost four years by the City of New York until a lawsuit finally forced the city to release them.

Dr. Griffin's study of these accounts has led him beyond his earlier questioning of the official story of the collapses, to his above-quoted conclusion.

The destruction of the three WTC buildings with explosives by US government terrorists is no longer a hypothesis, but a fact that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Itís important to note that Dr. Griffin is one of many prominent intellectuals--including the likes of Gore Vidal, Howard Zinn, Peter Dale Scott, Richard Falk, Paul Craig Roberts, Morgan Reynolds and Peter Phillips--who have seen through the major discrepancies of the official explanation of 9/11 and have risen to challenge it.

These brave individuals represent the tip of an ever-growing iceberg of discreet 9/11 skeptics. Indeed, 9/11 skepticism appears to be almost universal among intellectuals who have examined the evidence, since there has not yet been a single serious attempt to refute the case developed by Dr. Griffin and such like-minded thinkers as Nafeez Ahmed and Mike Ruppert.

As for the general public, polls have shown that a strong majority of Canadians (63%, Toronto Star, May '04) and half of New Yorkers (Zogby, August 2004) agree that top US leaders conspired to murder nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11/01.

How, then, can the mainstream US media continue to ignore the story of the century? Perhaps the best answer was given by Dr. Griffin himself in the conclusion of his talk, and is worth quoting at length:

"The evidence for this conclusion (that 9/11 was an inside job) has thus far been largely ignored by the mainstream press, perhaps under the guise of obeying President Bushís advice not to tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories." We have seen, however, that it is the Bush administrationís conspiracy theory that is the outrageous one, because it is violently contradicted by numerous facts, including some basic laws of physics.

"There is, of course, another reason why the mainstream press has not pointed out these contradictions. As a recent letter to the Los Angeles Times said:

"'The number of contradictions in the official version of... 9/11 is so overwhelming that... it simply cannot be believed. Yet... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of "X-Files" proportions and insidiousness.'

"The implications are indeed disturbing. Many people who know or at least suspect the truth about 9/11 probably believe that revealing it would be so disturbing to the American psyche, the American form of government, and global stability that it is better to pretend to believe the official version. I would suggest, however, that any merit this argument may have had earlier has been overcome by more recent events and realizations. Far more devastating to the American psyche, the American form of government, and the world as a whole will be the continued rule of those who brought us 9/11, because the values reflected in that horrendous event have been reflected in the Bush administrationís lies to justify the attack on Iraq, its disregard for environmental science and the Bill of Rights, its criminal negligence both before and after Katrina, and now its apparent plan not only to weaponize space but also to authorize the use of nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike.

"In light of this situation and the facts discussed in this lecture---as well as dozens of more problems in the official account of 9/11 discussed elsewhere---I call on the New York Times to take the lead in finally exposing to the American people and the world the truth about 9/11. Taking the lead on such a story will, of course, involve enormous risks. But if there is any news organization with the power, the prestige, and the credibility to break this story, it is the Times. It performed yeoman service in getting the 9/11 oral histories released. But now the welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed. I am calling on the Times to rise to the occasion.

Dr. Griffin's speech given at the University of Wisconsin earlier this year, entitled "9/11 and the American Empire," was broadcast twice on C-SPAN.

In late September Dr. Griffin was asked to give expert testimony at hearings sponsored by Cynthia McKinney and the Congressional Black Caucus investigating the 9/11 Commission Report. He is currently Professor Emeritus at Claremont College in California.

This weekend's events were sponsored by NY911truth.org, WBAI and the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance for 9/11 Truth: http://mujca.com.

Kevin Barrett
Coordinator, MUJCA-NET
http://mujca.com

October 21, 2005
 
What makes no sense to me - in the case of the 757 that hit the Pentagon - is the holes in both sides of the outter ring. If a plane were to hit the outter ring, the plane would mushroom onto itself, causing a much larger cone of destruction. Moreover, it wouldnt penetrate as deep into the building as it seemed to on 9/11. On top of that (as seen in the film) there would not be enough energy, or structural integrity of the plane to go through the outter ring wall - travel 50 or so feet inside the outter ring - the punch another 16-foot hole in the inner wall. Then vaporize. Additionally, given the plane DID fly through the wall, the engines would detach and lodge themselves completely separate to the planes fuselage.

Cruise missle? Um - yeah. More than likely though, a cruise missle carried beneath some drone aircraft. The plane would give the visual appearence of a plane hitting the building - but would explode and quickly be destroyed. The payload would cause the most damage, and would punch an approprately-sized hole in the wall.



I can't believe I'm rationalizing this.
 
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Wheres Celerity with a thread like this?
-> Steve

It should also be noted that a plane, even a 747, is flimsy in comparison to a steel reinforce concrete structure. It will crumple like a tin can. It will also burn completely in the temperatures recorded in the building. And the Pentagon is America's ONLY fortress. It is designed to withstand missile hits. It is the ONLY structure on US soil, still occupied, designed as a real, fortified, Fortress.

Ok, thats all well and good, but what about the fact the there was 0 damage to the lawn?...there were many reports that said the plane hit the ground and skidded into the building...from the pentagon video.....it looks ike it never hit the ground at all.... a giant plane is not going to land perfectly into a building at that speed and angle..with a guy who couldn;t even pass flight school for a Cessna....

but a guided missle could....

reports say flight 77 dissappeared 45 minutes before it allegedly struck the pentagon...

My theory....flight 77 was shot down for whatever reason and a military plane launched a missle for whatever reason ....there are plenty of missles that could be mistaken for airplanes

and the fact that they covered the path of the "object" that struck the pentagon with heavy sand

The lawn on the west side of the Pentagon was not damaged by the crash or the blast. See the lawn at the Pentagon after a 100-ton Boeing 757 plows into the Pentagon. Not a scrape, not even a singe. Several witnesses observed that the aircraft had hit the ground and then crashed into the Pentagon. Perhaps this grass is GMO http://www.koolpages.com/killtown911/pentalawn2000.html So why did they cover it with several feet of sand later? If there was a "depleted" uranium warhead used, it would leave a deadly blowback trail of fine radioactive dust that would cause many health problems for the firemen, the reconstruction crews and the workers at the Pentagon. To stabilize the situation, sand would provide a barrier that would keep the radioactive dust in place.
 
This makes sense for the WTC buildings, but like I said - the Pentagon is a fortress. And by that I mean it's not easily destroyed. The Pentagon can take a missile hit and damage only some windows.
 
the only way to prove or disprove anything is to get those videos the gov confiscated from the surronding business's....those are the key to everything....
 
ever wonder if all the people they put on those planes are actors paid off by the gov't?

fake names... jsut some random actor, dressed different then they normally would so people won't notice....
and obviosuly, their friend is still alive, so it wasn't them on the plane...

could just be
 
but why even have all these people on the planes?

i haven;t seen any videos of the people loading onto the planes...

and that way too many people to count on not to let the cat out of the bag...

4 commercial planes * 200? people each?

its official record that building 7 was "PULLED", by how were they able to determine where to place the explosives, how much explosive to use, and then place them all between 9am and 5-7pm whenever it fell...
 
I read or saw a piece on the WTC's being "pulled". Apperently there where bomb sniffing dogs in the WTC's for a few days and then all of a sudden a company came in to replace all the network cable in each building and for some odd reason they had to cut all the power (no power = no cameras). The very next day the bomb sniffing dogs never came back..... Ive ran network cable before and have never had to cut the power for any thing. Why would you?

That is one way of explaning how they where able to install explosives without people knowing.



EDIT:: Yeah they go over that point in the video. Sorry about that.
 
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