Anti- Bush

[E_SolSi]

The school system sucks because it's underfunded.

private schools seem to have no problems with funding

My highschool had books that were more than seven years old as textbooks.

in a privatised situation that school would not survive

You don't need private schooling, you just need to spend the money.

private schools DO spend the money... and they have a higher quality of education

It works for college because college is secondary school and not primary.

it works for colleges because if they dont produce a certain level of quality then no one goes there... same with private schools

I don't know about where you live, but I had my choice of four highschools and several middle schools.

in my area they have "zones"... you may have several schools ... but what one you go to depends on where you live in town... you cant chose what one you want to go to

Then there's the fact that a lot of kids are flat out afraid to go to school because of violence, which is social issue. You know that part on Training Day where the Crips are chasing them down the street shooting? That's pretty much how it is. Menace II Society, pretty damn close. Law Enforcement isn't underfunded which makes it pretty much impossible to do anything about the problem.

if its that shitty there then move


Health Care. I haven't had medical insurance for over four years because I can't afford it. I can't afford to pay $200 a month out of my pocket and jobs with coverage over $1k/yr. are difficult to come by in my area.

i have not seen a full time job anywhere that doesnt offer health insurance

How much more strong does our military really need to be? Constant R&D is, of course, a must. But why don't we focus on replacing all of the old crap and paying our boys and girls a little better? Why do we need to build more?

at this moment we dont need "more" meaning ammounts... we are pretty good there for now ... but as far as staying on the leading edge technology wise goes, we can not fall off there....
pay the soldiers more
replace outdated equipment with new equipment
stay in front technicalogicly
... that about covers it


Our invasion of Iraq was originally about the WMD's! Why does everybody conviently forget that? That's why li'l Georgie defied the U.N. when they still wanted more time for inspection.

we are finding shit burried over there every day.... its a big fuckin sandbox... there are lots of places to hide shit

I agree that Saddam has done very bad things for Iraq, but he was also its greatly economic leader at one point. Who the fuck are we to say he needs to be removed? Against the wishes of the rest of the world?

the iraqis are thrilled that we got that fuck out of power.... the rest of the world??? fuck em they're pussies

We are currently the single largest threat to world peace!

whateva

What's to stop the U.N. from taking our country over, and staring WWIII in the process, because we're "just too big a threat to leave in power"? "What, what, what?" Exactly.

WE are the power behind the UN
the UN is a fucking joke
if you have never served in the military you probly have no clue what i am saying here
ask anyone who has served active duty
better yet ask anyone who has had to serve with the fuckin UN
they are a fuckin joke
theres so much fuckin red tape tieing everything up its amazing they can take a shit and wipe their own ass without the worlds concent
fuck the UN

It's hypocritical. This war was started over WMD and was spun into the liberation of a country. Where are the WMD that George W. Bush defied the world and said he'd find? Exactly.

we DID liberate a country
and like i said before... its a big fuckin sandbox... theres shit hidden all over the place


Now, imagine that the 39% that's being "stolen" from the rich, greedy, fucks getting cut to 15%. Now, imagine the Government coming to a grinding halt due to lack of funding. There won't be funding available for anything.

no the government will have to learn to budget themselves better... and stop funding so much bullshit

The very rich have a social responsiblity to give back.
You don't fucking need 36 million dollars.
If you have more than you need to live comfortably, you should be more than happy to help those who truly need it.

spoken like a true socialist/comunist


its MY fucking money and what i do with it is MY fucking business
if i want to give to charity.... fine
if i want to buy a $500,000 car.... fine
if i want to invest it in the stock market to possibly make even more.... fine
if i want to wipe my ass with $100 bills.... fine
if i want to burn it to keep my 8000sqft house warm in the winter.... fine

 

[h22bubbleback]

bush needs to forget about the middle east...we have enough problems here...fuck trying to make peace in the middle east...the palistins(sp?) and isreal fucks would never lift a finger for us...so fuck them...i say we nuke them.END OF STORY...look at all the crime and shyt that is happeneing here..but a big chunk of our taxes go to soldiers dieing in the middle east...

but is doesnt matter if we get rid of bush or not..every president will try to make peace there... not for them, but so he can win the nobal peace prize..thats all they want...fame glory..just to go down famous and great...and they dont care about how many soldiers they send over there to die...its not worth it

 

[xj0hnx]

Sabz5150, you seem like you're mad because you don't have the things you want in life. My advice is buck up, and go out there and put forth EFFORT. Things don't just come to you sitting around bitching about others short comings. If you want millions, it is well with in your grasp. If you are happy with your life then there would be no use in using terms like "rich, fucking, bitch's" or however you put it, because you wouldn't care.

Oh, an no the war in Iraq was NEVER solely about WMD. It has a lot to do with past foreign policy that you don't seem to have a handle on, and yes it did have a lot to do with righting a mistake WE made thirty or so years ago, when we helped form the situation that went south in the Middle East.

 

[mwvnos]

blanco, what attitude are you talking about?

 

[BigJ]

I'm with this guy. It's bloody true too.

 

[mwvnos]

ok blanco.....i think your perception of this matter is very distorted....i dont think it is right at all for you to think that just because some people have alot of money, they need to just give it away...they worked hard to get that money and dont want to piss it away for people who are just looking for a handout...thats totally worng in every aspect of the issue to think that....sure give money when the time calls for it and you know what i mean, when there is a definite need for it...but not give it because you have it....why should you give it away for no reason?

 

[BigJ]

Hey I have a question? How much of the nation's income is controlled by that 1% of wealthy people? Now why should they, since they control probably the upwards of the whole nations income, be taxed the exact same percentile as the people that control the very least amount of money, or the people that control enough to apy their bills and just live their life(aka middle class)?

Personally I think its stupid, because they won't get affected eitherway, and its fucking greed if they care they only have 36 million compared to the 52million. Either way its gravy.

 

[mwvnos]

its the fucking principle of the matter.....to put that in perspective, thats working to build a business, sell it and say "sure take this 26mil and go jack off with it"....tax is nessecary yes, but that much? tax the same for everyone and everyone will be happy. its not greed, get over that lil argument there......its the fucking principle!

 

[BigJ]

The principles are one thing, but its politics buddy, they don't exist and you should know that.

 

[Celerity]

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak my mind. I lost my job this past year. When Clinton was president I was secure and prosperous, but in the last year, we had to close our operations. We simply could not compete with foreign labor. This foreign labor worked for low pay under very bad conditions.

They worked very long shifts, and many even died on the job.

This competition could hardly be called "fair." I was forced out of the place where I had worked for 34 years.

Not a single government program was there to help me.

How can Bush call himself "compassionate?" Far worse, I lost two of my sons in Bush's evil war in Iraq. They gave their lives for their country, and for what? So that Bush's oil buddies can get rich. My pain of losing my sons is indescribable.

While it is trivial next to the loss of my sons, I regret to say that I also lost my home. I simply have nothing left. How can Bush call himself a Christian when he neglects people like me? I am a senior citizen with various medical problems. I'm not in a position where I can begin a new career. I was reduced to the point where I had to live in a hole in a ground, all because of President Bush.

And when the authorities found me there, did they have any compassion for my misfortune and ailments? No, I was arrested. Mr. Bush, I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a compassionate man! I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a Christian. If I had any money left, I would donate it to the Democrat Party.

If Al Gore had been elected in 2000 I would still have a job, a home, and most importantly, my dear sons!

Regards,

Saddam Hussein

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by Blanco@Jan 31 2004, 06:13 AM
You mean Blanco. I work very hard for my money, thank you very much. The people I'm refering to are the people who cry and moan about losing money when they already have more than enough for six generations of their family to live more than comfortably. I'm talking about the people who'd rather piss on a dying man than spend a few dollars to save him. I'm talking about the people who think they're better than everyone else and should be allowed special privledges because of their bank account. Those people, are greedy, rich, fucks. That's how I put it.

When the President of this country says "We're going in there to find those weapons"...not an exact quote, but close enough to work. I tend to think that's what it was supposed to be about. Do you people ever step back and look at the big picture? Even a little?

So Blanco = Sabz5150, ok whatever. So you don't like rich peoples attitudes, oh well, I don't like a lot of poor peoples attitudes. Shit I am poor, and I don't cry because I don't have tons of inherited wealth, and some of those that do act like "rich, fucking, bitchs", it just doesn't bother me. "Poor" (using as broard term incompassing lower middle class), not all, but some, would rather whine about the fact that they are the have nots and that life is so unfair, and the haves are such cocks. Soory that someone else has something and you don't, work smarter, not harder. I plan on retiring early, I know how I am going to do it, and it isn't that hard, you just have to have a plan and stick with it.

And "do I step back and look at the big picture"? Um, you're the one tracked WMD minded guy here. There is, as I pointed out already, a MUCH bigger picture, but the liberals and demacrats would rather ignore that and focus on only a small part of it. You see, the BIG picture doesn't suit their political agenda, and they feel that in general the US popuation can't grasp complicated foriegn policy. And I tell you after seeing some woman last night on the Jay Leno show not know who the first man on the moon was, I don't doubt they are wrong.

 

[fastac99]

blah,blah,blah, yakkity smackity, you make my head hurt.
you can't change the minds of all these bleeding heart libs.
They have no minds, that's why they need a socialist gov. to think for them.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by Blanco@Jan 31 2004, 08:47 PM
No. Blanco = Blanco, I have no other screen names here. "Work smarter, not harder" is my motto. But you should realize that you're still going to have to work extremely hard to retire early...or get extremely lucky.

Ok, Blano = Blanco, then Blanco needs reading lessons, since I wasn't talking to him.

You're right, work hard, get lucky, or now a lot bit about managing/saving/investing money.

 

[Sabz5150]

Originally posted by 92b16vx@Jan 31 2004, 02:23 AM
So Blanco = Sabz5150

Ummmm. No.

 

[Sabz5150]

Originally posted by Blanco@Jan 31 2004, 02:47 PM
Why did Bush defy the U.N.? What were all the threats about? Why were we going to invade and what were we determined to find? Weapons of Mass Destruction. It doesn't matter what political spin has been put on it. End of story.

We were lied to. Good people died for this wag-the-dog pursuit of oil. There are NO weapons of mass destruction. For any of you who will reply with "Saddam moved them out of Iraq!!!", tell me how it is possible to move ballistic missiles without something seeing you? I have the capability of accessing the net and seeing my car, parked in front of my apartment, from the eyes of a satellite. We can definitely see what's going on from above the skies of Iraq.

There is no way that Saddam could have moved weapons in or out of Iraq without being seen. So if there are no WMDs in Iraq, then the UN's containment worked...

... and our intelligence bureaus are STILL flawed.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by Blanco+Feb 4 2004, 12:08 PM-->

92b16vx Posted on Feb 1 2004

@ 05:18 AM
Ok, Blano = Blanco, then Blanco needs reading lessons, since I wasn't talking to him.

You're right, work hard, get lucky, or now a lot bit about managing/saving/investing money.

Blanco knows how to read. You replied to something I said, you just didn't look at the name of poster.

Get out of the military, learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to do, take some business classes, get into the real business world, realize the amount of hard work it takes to even have enough to invest. Like I said, I've owned my own business and I've been at least assistant-manager at every place I've worked since then. Thank you, I'm done with you.

Well, for your information kid, I have been a free thinking individual for over thirty years, have own and run a coulple business, and joined the military for reasons I don't have to explain to some armchair politician. I understand more about the way the world works than you could ever know. And have a plan that will land me on my feet without busting my ass for another fifteen years.


And since I was never talking to you, or referencing anything you said, if you noticed, I quoted someone else (Sabz5150 to be exact), and then you just responded out of the blue talking at me like I was quoting you. So in fact, I am done with you.

That is all, you may be excused.

 

[DarkHand]

Originally posted by Blanco@Feb 4 2004, 01:42 PM
Point. Set. Match.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well, apparently Blanco, you're too fucking stupid to read and comprehend this sooo...here's where you started your bullshit with me....

(92b16vx @ Jan 30 2004, 07:24 PM)
Sabz5150, you seem like you're mad because you don't have the things you want in life. My advice is buck up, and go out there and put forth EFFORT. Things don't just come to you sitting around bitching about others short comings. If you want millions, it is well with in your grasp. If you are happy with your life then there would be no use in using terms like "rich, fucking, bitch's" or however you put it, because you wouldn't care.

Oh, an no the war in Iraq was NEVER solely about WMD. It has a lot to do with past foreign policy that you don't seem to have a handle on, and yes it did have a lot to do with righting a mistake WE made thirty or so years ago, when we helped form the situation that went south in the Middle East. 

You mean Blanco. I work very hard for my money, thank you very much. The people I'm refering to are the people who cry and moan about losing money when they already have more than enough for six generations of their family to live more than comfortably. I'm talking about the people who'd rather piss on a dying man than spend a few dollars to save him. I'm talking about the people who think they're better than everyone else and should be allowed special privledges because of their bank account. Those people, are greedy, rich, fucks. That's how I put it.

When the President of this country says "We're going in there to find those weapons"...not an exact quote, but close enough to work. I tend to think that's what it was supposed to be about. Do you people ever step back and look at the big picture? Even a little?

Sorry, I didn't quote him exactly verbatim, so dimwits like you could understand and not think someone is intruding into your omnipotent existance

Originally posted by Sabz5150 Posted: Jan 29 2004+ 08:20 AM -->

We aren't all rich fucks that can pay our way through school.

You seem so sure of that. Is it because you go where you're told to go and do what you're told to do?

If you knew me, which you could only be so lucky, you would never have said that in a million years. You're a pretty presumptious little shit, aren't you?

You don't have to explain, this post says it all. And don't forget that I pay your salary from my armchair, soldier.

Don't forget dickhead, I pay my salary too, and the garbage man that throws your trash cans in your lawn, big deal. If it bothers you that much call your cangress man, he'll tell you the same thing I will, you should be thankful there are people that will die for ignorant people like you, so that you can continue to be ignorant in a safe enviroment.

I grew up with a CO for a father, he retired Cheif. He though he could think for himself, too. Until he retired and crawled inside a bottle because he didn't have anyone to tell him what to do anymore.

With a son like you, that's no wonder. Your father was a weak man, sorry not me or my fault. I feel sorry that your disappointment in him has carried on this far into your life.

"And have a plan that will land me on my feet without busting my ass for another fifteen years."

We'll see you just have no clue.

You should probably go back through page four again...maybe take a little more time to comprehend what you're reading and who posted it. "Rich, fucking, bitch's or however you put it". I've gone through every post and haven't found one place where Sabz said that. I did, however, find where I said "greedy, rich, fucks".

I think I have addressed this already, yip sure did.


DarkHand Posted on Feb 4 2004@ 08:59 PM
 

This guy couldn't own a turd if a cat shit it in his mouth.

Point. Set. Match.

Maybe you should take up knitting.

 

[Sabz5150]

Originally posted by Blanco@Jan 31 2004, 12:13 AM
When the President of this country says "We're going in there to find those weapons"...not an exact quote, but close enough to work. I tend to think that's what it was supposed to be about. Do you people ever step back and look at the big picture? Even a little?

Sure! I step back from the Iraq war and see the big picture all the time!

Here, I'll post it for ya

 

[Sabz5150]

Okay, picture aside... here's the BIG picture

G.W. Bush: Son of a family who has been running oil companies since the 50's

D. Cheney: Former CEO of Halliburton, the nation's largest oil services comoany

C. Rice: The National Security adviser sat on the Chevron Board of Directors. She has a Chevron oil tanker named after her

D. Evans: Commerce secretary. Former CEO of Tom Brown Inc., a natural gas company with fields in Texas, Colorado and Wyoming.

The Bin Laden family and other members of Saudi Arabia's oil-wealthy elite have contributed mightily to several Bush family ventures, even as the American energy industry helped put Bush in office. Of the top 10 lifetime contributors to George W.'s war chests, six either come from the oil business or have ties to it.


Facts about Afghanistan:

Due to its location between the oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Basin and the Indian Ocean, Afghanistan has long been mentioned as a potential pipeline route.

The Caspian Basin has an estimated US$5 trillion of oil and gas resources.

Six US oil giants -- Unocal, Total, Chevron, Pennzoil, Amoco and Exxon -- have invested heavily in the massive oilfield potential in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. The region's untapped oil reserves are estimated to be worth up to $2,000 billion.

EVERYONE WHO HAS OIL AND GAS INTERESTS IN CENTRAL ASIA NEEDS STABILITY IN AFGHANISTAN. CONTROL MEANS STABILITY

Facts about Iraq:

The US has always been a key importer of Iraqi oil. Even under the UN sanctions, US companies imported some 750,000 barrels per day (bpd) from Iraq until the end of 2002.

Based on current estimates, Iraq’s oil reserves stand at about 115 billion barrels, equivalent to the total oil reserves of the US, Canada, Mexico, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, China and the whole of Asia.





Weapons of mass destruction my ass.