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AWD 1974 Civic Hatch with D16A6

Discussion in 'HYBRID -> ED-EF / DA' started by 914turboford, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. 914turboford

    914turboford Junior Member

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    bad ass dude. aweseom job
     
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    :blink: :worthy:


    If you ever want to sell it, I've got dibs!!!
     
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    nice, just lower it, lol.
     
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    LOL it looks like an SUV. Awesome work though, props! :thumbsup:
     
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    The car is basically a 1974 Civic body set on a shortened 1989 Real Time 4x4 wagon floorpan. The track of the wagon is wider, thus the wheels stick out. We get a fair amount of snow where I live so I won't be lowering it. I have a Ford 2.3 turbo powered Porsche 914 that is on the deck that I drive when I want to corner fast. The civic does handle pretty well considering how high the ride height is, though.

    Brian Roth
     
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    very very very nice

    :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

    so what other unique projects have you done?
     
  8. 914turboford

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    Here is a summary of the other conversions I have done:

    Engine conversion summary


    1. I put an Audi 4000 engine in the back seat of a VW Bug. It drove and shifted great.

    2. I made a Mazda Rotary pickup into a 4x4 with an International Pickup frame and running gear and a Ford 302.

    3. For six years I drove a 1983 Mitsubishi pickup into which I had installed three different Ford small blocks. When I sold it it had a 5.0 EFI HO motor, four wheel disc brakes, Mustang R&P steering, R134 AC, etc. I did it all of this for less than $2500.

    4. During the summer and early Fall of 2002 I took a 1981 Mercedes 300TD station wagon and converted it into a 4x4. I removed the MB suspension front and rear, then put the body on a 1984 Nissan King Cab 4x4 frame. These trucks had a little divorced transfer case and a wheel base that is about 3/8” longer than the MB w123 chassis. I used the MB engine and tranny and made a short coupler drive shaft using a Nissan CV joint on one end and a Nissan u joint on the other. One of the big challenges in this project was raising the transfer case about 3” above where it normally mounts in the Nissan frame to get the coupler drive shaft angle to virtually zero. This also necessitated significantly modifying the MB floor and narrowing the seat tracks. However, the only visiible clue in the interior is the transfer case shifter. Outside, however, it looks very unique, with about the same overall presence as a lifted Cherokee. I have put over 20K miles on the conversion so far. It works great in the snow. It gets 21 mpg after adjusting for the speedometer error of about 8%. It rides on 265/75/15 tires (roughly 31’s). I have less than $2K in the project including the initial cost of the car at this point. It gets lots of looks and inquiries.

    5. From 2001-2003 I worked on putting a 2.3 Turbo Ford 4 cylinder from a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. This engine was only used for rwd cars by Ford but I found that it bolts right up to a late 80's Escort transaxle. The engine is therefor mounted transversely. The coolant goes through the roll cage to get to the front mount twin fan radiator. There is a fan on the rear trunk lid to cool the intercooler. The engine puts out around 200 Rwhp and gets about 27 mpg. The car has 5 lug 16" fuchs alloys, 911 front end, Bilsteins, etc.

    6. In 2004 I built a four wheel drive 1974 Honda civic by welding its body onto a shortened 1989 Honda Civic Real Time 4x4 floorpan. The car has 16" Motegis, cold air intake, B16A6, factory AC, cruise control, Carrado rotors up front, civic wagon front rotors in the rear with Prelude gen II rear calipers. The car gets 27 mpg and is about to face its first winter as of this writing.

    I have additional info and pics of some of these if you are interested.
     
  9. phunky.buddha

    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    Wow. Post tons of pictures! That's really impressive work! I assume that you have quite an extensive shop if you're doing all this work on your own for so little cash...

    :thumbsup:
     
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    i'd love to see pictures mang :)
     
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    Here is a link to some pictures of the 914. http://www.turboford.org/cgi-bin/album.pl When you go there I think you will have to search on "914". I have a photo of the MB wagon 4x4 but I don't have it posted anywhere. Can I attach photos to a post here? I have a 24' x 24' garage, 11x36" lathe, small milling machine, 160 amp MIG welder, Oxy Acetelyne setup, 20 ton press and a bunch of miscellaneous tools. I also have a 11' x 30' concrete slab behind the house for bigger projects. I wish I had about a 40'x60' metal shop. Maybe some day.

    Brian Roth
     
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    you can put pictures in the gallery here

    then either link them or insert them in the post

    EDIT: so what sorta 1/4 mile times you get with the turbo 914?
     
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    I have not run it in the 1/4. I probably never will but I hope it would do 12-13. About 200 hp in a 2300 lb car. BTW, people run as much as 25 psi boost on the stock long block. 275 hp is considered to be attainable without removing the head. I might take it to a road course some day. I competed in SCCA road racing from 1990-95. Right now I am kind of afraid to lean on it really hard because of that Escort transaxle and the custom halfshafts. The way I made them was to splice the outer half of the Porsche shaft to the inner half of the Ford shaft. I cut mild steel couplers on the lathe out of 1.5 inch round stock and welded the shafts into them then trued them with the press, v blocks and a dial indicator. I broke one already then made it stronger. I have not had a failure for over a year but am still a bit leery of doing jack rabbit starts off the line.

    Brian
     
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    Pics looked really good, nice work. :thumbsup:

    Any room for a turbo in there? :p
     
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    Why didn't you do the small block v8 conversion ? I've owned alot of 914's and always wanted to do this. You can do minor work on your small block and put out 300+ HP !! They make a kit, which I'm sure somebody like yourself could easily fabricate and it just drops right in...
     
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    I'm impressed, because I work in a shop, and I KNOW how long it takes to modify or build parts. The fact that you have your own lathe is cool. Not everyone gets one of those. Is it common to run coolant through the roll cage? I like that idea, I like it a lot!

    I've done a few conversions myself. If you have the time, the payoffs are endless.

    If you haven't tried it, there is one more conversion that has been done before that really peaked my interest.

    66-70 Toronado Drivetrain. 455 FWD. Build a dual engine 4x4 with 910 Cubic Inches and 1000 lb ft of torque. Should run 10's in the 1/4 on street tires. All that for less than 3000. I paid $700 for my running Toronado. I won't be doing that conversion, but it sounds sweet. Think Hurst Hairy Olds.


    Once again, great job......It's a lot of work. :thumbsup:
     
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    I've actually seen it quite a bit...
     
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    If you are asking if there is room for a turbo on the 914 the answer is yes because it already has one. I might put a turbo on the civic some day. It has the same amount of room as a stock 1989 Civic wagon.

    I know that V8 914's are fairly common. I considered a V8 but wanted decent gas mileage as I drive the car 100 miles a day on my commute. I think I would have gotten 19-22 mpg or so with a V8 and I get 27 with the 2.3 turbo. Also, I wanted to ditch the 914 transaxle. I don't know if you have ever shifted a 914 but it is not fun, even with the side shifter trans. Also, 914's are a nightmare to work on stock and the V8 conversions I have done make that worse. The way mine is setup you can change the spark plugs without laying on the rear trunk lid. I have heard of a twin V8 mini truck like you mentioned. I have all sorts of ideas of other projects. I'd like to make a 4x4 Volvo wagon, maybe with a Mustang 5.0 and Chevy S-10 front end or maybe a Cherokee Dana 30 up front (Volvo 240's already have a Dana 30 in the rear). I have promised my wife and 6 year old daughter, though, that there won't be another conversion for at least 2 years.

    Brian
     
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