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B16a2 Turbo cam choices...

Discussion in 'Forced Induction' started by Luis998, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. JKOBD.com

    JKOBD.com Wiring Guru

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    Hahah. ITR/CTR cams were found in high end naturally aspirated motors why.....because Honda never made a good turbo motor to use them properly. I would recommend doing some 2009 homework because you guys seem to be stuck back in 2003 era for building solid high hp turbo Hondas.

    I have been using a S200 since 2002 and also using an AVC-R in my car. The car is a full street car that went 10.10@145 on that setup. I tuned the car all the way to 30psi using the Hondata and then adjusted the pump gas setting and race gas setting with the click of a button on the AVC-R. You can also do boost by gear on the AVC-R.

    If you decide to sell the S200 and go with Crome, beware of the timing issues that it has had. Check pgmfi.org and Honda-tech for more on those. S300 is a good setup and you can do boost by gear on that.
     
  2. YBLEGAL

    YBLEGAL Regular Member w/ Cheese

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    So your saying duration and lift don't mean anything? You just want the most aggressive of each? Please explain or post up some examples.
     
  3. efhondakid

    efhondakid My name is Byron. VIP

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    x2 Id like to see proof.
     
  4. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    X's 3.

    Also, I'm still pondering which cams to go with between Skunk2 and Crower. I've talked to ONE person on this planet that has given me back any input and he said that their profiles are very close, so going with the Crower and saving around $150 or so seems very logical. It seems that I would pay more for Skunk2 because of the name than with Crower.

    What do you guys think of that?
     
  5. efhondakid

    efhondakid My name is Byron. VIP

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    Just go with the ITRs.:rolleyes:

    Sorry Luis I really cant help you, Im using GSRs for my boost build. :dunno:
     
  6. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    HAHA! ITR's FOR BOOST!

    That should be someones presidential slogan. :rolleyes:

    I did consider GSR's for half a second but decided to go with one of these. I'll just have to figure out myself which is better which is not a big deal. Research is my friend, after all. :D
     
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    I think goin with the Crowers is a good idea. Ive heard of ppl havin problems with Skunk valve train parts. Crower has been around for decades, so theyve had more time to get their products dialed in.
     
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    YBLEGAL Regular Member w/ Cheese

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    Quite frankly, if your sleeving and doing a full on build, there's no way you should be considering GSR cams. Stock boost or budget boost yes, a viable option because of cost/performance. But if your doing a real boost build, you should be looking at something with more lift and an appropriate amount of duration.

    Crower > Skunk2; IMO. General consensus is, Skunk2 parts fail too often in general.
     
  9. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    I've heard about Skunk2 valve train failing under boost quite a few times. It's all over my build thread in my sig.

    However, I have heard good things about their cams. It just doesn't seem logical to go with cams that are almost the same as the Crowers, (if this does prove to be true in the end) for about $150+ dollars when that money could be allocated elsewhere. Hence, this is why I am seeking feedback from anyone that has used them.

    My build is definitely full by all means, YB. :thumbsup:
     
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    most definatly. did you know crower does custom grinds too? just pick the same measurments as the one you need.
     
  11. Luis998

    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    Any idea if that would cost more? Also, what do you guys think of Crower's valve train and Supertech's? I know that it's a bit off topic but I figured I could ask. In the beginning of my build thread I stated that Supertech did not seem like a good choice. Nowadays though it is starting to look good as I have gotten some very good feedback about it from my "head" guy.
     
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    Custom grind from a big company will almost always cost more. Simply because they hafta tool up for it, its not somethin that theyre makin hundreds of at a time. However, if you can find a local cam grinder, you should be able to get a custom grind for cheaper than an off the shelf item from Crower or Skunk. I myself had a cam custom ground for my truck at a local shop and only spent $200 for the cam and lifters, as opposed to $250 from Comp for the same thing. Not much, but it helped.

    As for valve train, Ive heard Supertech makes a good product. But, one thing to consider is that they arent as well known as Crower or Skunk, or even Omni Power. There might be a good reason for that.
     
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    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    Thanks for the feedback on Supertech. The price is VERY right as my headbuilderworkerpersonrather offered me the entire valve train at cost. :D

    I'm wondering about getting the cam regrinded, is it really worth it? From what I understand, the difference is not much.
     
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    On a regrind, you hafta mind your base circle. If it gets ground down too far, youll have trouble adjusting your valves. It really shouldnt be a problem if you go to someone with experience though.
     
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    Luis998 Honda Enthusiast

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    So I'm looking through the interwebs for more cam information when all of a sudden I run into an article on this site that's talking about the cams I have been debating on for years. Yeah...I laughed so hard because I totally forgot I had started this thread. haha :rolleyes:I felt like such a derp, having forgotten about this thread! This makes everything so much easier. Knowledge is power and forgetting...well, it's just knowledge from the past. :D
     
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    Crower has been in the high performance cam business 40-50 years before Skunk appeared on the market.
     
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    This is old but I think it's a bit off on the topic of turbo vs n/a cams.

    Its all about overlap for n/a performance, but that doesn't fly with turbos. That results in poor boost response and is why ppl are blowing 30 psi through using itr/ctr cams. The cams bleed off so much cylinder pressure that its not really like blowing 30 psi in terms of combustion pressure.
     
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    I mean I guess the boost makes up for the lack of cylinder pressure but its kinda like when ppl overcam a v8 so its low rpm cylinder pressure stays low enough to use pump gas on a high static cr.


    I'd like to see the math for the dynamic cr of a ctr cammed motor vs a proper turbo grind at the same boost level.
     
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