b16a2 vs b18b

[AWDGSXownsU]

damn you are stupid. why would you waste your time with a b18B. forget it and go B20. more literage more torque and if built right will be the ultimate destroyer. would even take out heavy woosy preludes and the b20 costs the same as a b18 and can still be made vtec later on if you wish and will 100% smoke anythin B16a.

 

[posol]

Originally posted by R.E.Developement@Sep 2 2003, 11:58 PM
hell no ive raced a couple of ls integra like me 91 and some 94-up integras. and i raped them with my 1st gen b16.
b16 all the way.

and your car is much lighter than a teg.

put that motor in the same car, and same tranny.... and watch the LS walk away. i've been there.

 

[98integrals]

Originally posted by AWDGSXownsU@Sep 4 2003, 02:30 AM
damn you are stupid. why would you waste your time with a b18B. forget it and go B20. more literage more torque and if built right will be the ultimate destroyer. would even take out heavy woosy preludes and the b20 costs the same as a b18 and can still be made vtec later on if you wish and will 100% smoke anythin B16a.

hondas suck just get a dsm

why does no one give the b18b credit? . yes the b20 is also a sweet platform but you would be suprised what u can find a b18a/b for. adam (aka pills) got his for like $250 and it had less than 60k miles on it.

im done trying to fight for it because, OBVIOUSLY, the fact that it didnt come with vtec instantly makes it suck. maybe i got a freak of a b18b from honda (see time in sig) and thats why i love them.


of course... im going b20 in a hatch tho

 

[B16]

Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Sep 4 2003, 01:03 AM-->

R.E.Developement

@Sep 2 2003, 11:58 PM
hell no ive raced a couple of ls integra like me 91 and some 94-up integras. and i raped them with my 1st gen b16.
b16 all the way.

and your car is much lighter than a teg.

put that motor in the same car, and same tranny.... and watch the LS walk away. i've been there.

no way, i had a B16 in my coupe, i owned ls's all day. i still say that driver with the b16 didn't know how to drive it. even when i took my car to the 1/4 mile when i first swapped it, it was stock, it ran 15.2. another kid with a b18a in his civic coupe was running 15 flat on NAWWWWS. i've been there

 

[Gen2Teg]

I used to fuck up Si's all the time with my 91 LS. This one guy at my school had an Si with (im assuming I/H/E, exhaust for sure) carbon fiber fenders and a hood, and i took him BAD off the start and rolling. All i had was a complete pulley kit and an intake. This isn't the only Si that I ever took. I never lost to an Si. B16's are worthless. My friend has a 93 integra with every bolt on you can have, a carbon fiber hood, and stripped out interior, and i took him bad too. So of course, i'd have to say LS.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by B16+Sep 5 2003, 06:24 AM-->

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Sep 4 2003, 01:03 AM
R.E.Developement

@Sep 2 2003, 11:58 PM
hell no ive raced a couple of ls integra like me 91 and some 94-up integras. and i raped them with my 1st gen b16.
b16 all the way.    

and your car is much lighter than a teg.

put that motor in the same car, and same tranny.... and watch the LS walk away. i've been there.

no way, i had a B16 in my coupe, i owned ls's all day. i still say that driver with the b16 didn't know how to drive it.

Werd, as I said before I raced a 2.0 with more Hp and torque than an LS motor, and was barely behind, LS isn't magical because it is a Honda motor. It isn't a performance motor, if it was, it would be in the GSR instead of the B18C1.

 

[SolidDreamz]

I wish I could pick up a b18b for 250.00 Thats one hell of a deal!

 

[SolidDreamz]

Originally posted by AWDGSXownsU@Sep 4 2003, 02:30 AM
damn you are stupid. why would you waste your time with a b18B. forget it and go B20. more literage more torque and if built right will be the ultimate destroyer. would even take out heavy woosy preludes and the b20 costs the same as a b18 and can still be made vtec later on if you wish and will 100% smoke anythin B16a.

how can the b20 take a b16 or ls with these numbers?

B20B
.
Displacement (cc): 1973
Power (bhp@rpm): 126@5400
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 133@4300
Compression Ratio: 8.8:1

B18B1
.
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1

B16A2
.
Displacement (cc): 1595
Power (bhp@rpm): 160@7600
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 111@7000
Compression Ratio: 10.4:1



hp on the b20 is shitty.

 

[JDMilan]

well honestly, TQ plays a huge role also coming from the hole and set up wtih great geraing, you can do really well without the hp topend...



Milan

 

[Havok]

Although AWDGSXownsU's post was ignorant,

Displacement > hp.
Torque > hp.

If you plan on doing some serious mods without going turbo, I would look into the B20, 200+ whp is reachable easily w/o N20 natrually aspirated.

 

[civicious]

to what AWDGSXownsU said, preludes aren't all that fast. they're too damn heavy. i've seen a built n/a b18 hatch walk on a turbo prelude.

the b16 owns joo!

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by SolidDreamz@Sep 7 2003, 04:12 AM
B20B
.
Displacement (cc): 1973
Power (bhp@rpm): 126@5400
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 133@4300
Compression Ratio: 8.8:1

B18B1
.
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1

B16A2
.
Displacement (cc): 1595
Power (bhp@rpm): 160@7600
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 111@7000
Compression Ratio: 10.4:1



hp on the b20 is shitty.

Um, hello, did you forget about this one...

B20Z
.
Displacement (cc): 1973
Power (bhp@rpm): 146@6400
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 133@4500
Compression Ratio: 9.6:1
Bore (mm): 84
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 2
Year(s) Produced: 1998-2001
In the following car(s): Honda CRV

146 is pretty close to 160, and the extra torque would be a bitch for a B16 to over come.

 

[uconn1150]

Ok, I didn't want to start a new thread, but here's food for thought...unless you ARE lucky and can find a b18b for $250 locally, then according to hmotors the b16a complete swap and the b18b complete swap are almost the same price...but for $800-900 more you can get the b18c which everyone says is the shitz...just skimp on the mods and wheels and get the ballz we all want!

 

[SLA]

I would have to go with the b18b if you plan on modifing it b/c tq and displacement is harder it get!!

 

[R.E.Developement]

Gen2Teg, well im sorry to teel you this homey but you and i need to race so i a stretch u lose with your ls vs. my jdm b16 setup you will never ever ever beat me.

 

[possessedimports]

sorry dawg but

 

[civicious]

the b16 owns j00

 

[quicksi]

Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Sep 2 2003, 08:20 AM-->

markiebredsol

@Aug 29 2003, 11:07 AM
ok correct me if i am wrong but in a race like this wouldnt the outcome slightly differ based on the start, if it was from a high rpm 2nd gear roll im pretty sure the b16 would win,but from a dead stop the ls would get a bit off the line. Also since the b16 revs higher it will have to shift after the ls.

we raced about 4 times, various rolls, twice from dead stop.

the kid worked at honda with bill. i'd assume he was at least a decent driver.

he caught up at the top of his power band, but everytime he shifted, we just walked, and walked, and walked.

b16 = torqueless monster.

i'd take the LS, with a gsr tranny over a b16/b16 tranny any day.

This is Bill that was at Steves BBQ with the red hatch and LS motor? If thats the case, there is a reason why his car was walking all over that B16 powered car. He was telling me he had swapped out the stock PR4 slugs for some JDM CTR pistons.

With a stock 3 layer head gasket, the B18a/b has a comp ratio of 9.2:1
With a stock 3 layer head gasket, stock head, and block, but with CTR pistons, the comp ratio is raised to 11.4:1

HUGE difference in power tuned or untuned. I assume that is why even with you in the car with a GSR tranny he was able to pull away from the other guy.

 

[Gen2Teg]

Originally posted by R.E.Developement@Sep 7 2003, 10:13 PM
Gen2Teg, well im sorry to teel you this homey but you and i need to race so i a stretch u lose with your ls vs. my jdm b16 setup you will never ever ever beat me.

ok... so umm tell me again, what were you trying to say? And yeah really trust me, a B16 in an integra isn't worth shit. Ever taken it to the track?

 

[quicksi]

Originally posted by SolidDreamz@Sep 1 2003, 10:32 PM
Why do you say the ls tranny sucks? What the main difference between the the ls and the si tranny? RAtios seem close to me? Couldnt you put a s4c si tranny on a b18b? Here are the ratios:
b18b=s80/y80 tranny
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.269
4th: 0.966
5th: 0.714
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 3
Final Drive: 4.266

b16=s4c tranny
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.848
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 3
Final Drive: 4.4

Whats the big difference? I dont know much about gear ratios.

when you look at gear ratios, you have to look at the numbers. The higher then number, the smaller the gear. The smaller the number, the larger the gear. Then you have a final drive. Final drive is very important since it is the final gear that turns the transmission. the larger number here again, the quicker the transmission will turn.

No because the Si has a limited amount of torque it needs to be ablew to put as much power to the ground as possible and still make the car driveable. Hence you have shorter gearing, because the car would suffer in the performance department if it had more economical gas saving gears, like the LS.