Best motor to put into a '94 Ls Integra?

[K2e2vin]

Originally posted by revolution8k+Dec 22 2003, 02:11 AM-->

Originally posted by K2e2vin@Dec 22 2003, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Gen2Teg@Dec 22 2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by theB16tegguy@Dec 21 2003, 06:41 PM
E_SolSi

@Dec 21 2003, 02:48 AM
most of the fastest pro hondas out there are still running B series engines
with their virtually unlimited budgets i would have to guess that if the H series was REALLY that much better of a platform then they would all be using them instead

yes but they are boosted a majority of the time. And the parts list for them are unlimited. for the integra platform I think the H22 is a Very solid choice. plus it's different.

again with this "different" bullshit. If you wanna be different go put a fuckin Hyundai motor in it. i have to agree with revolution8k on this, in a drag car, weight IS your enemy. A B18C1 can have so much more potential than an H22, i really don't even see why people drop them into integras. I guess its just for braging rights, but a ITR motor has 200hp too and thats only out of a 1.8L instead of a 2.2 so which do YOU think has more potential when put into those terms?

itr motor is rated like around 175hp and has about 150-160@wheels. the newer jdm itr/ac rsx is rated 200/220hp.

im not trying to diss you guys or anything, but being on a forum longer than someone else doesnt mean you know more. it just means you hang around on the internet more. there can be a newbie on the forum but he can know more than all of us.

t3h wha? the 98-00 USDM ITR motor was rated at 195 hp. Unless you're talking about the JDM, which was 200 hp. The GSR was rated at 170, the 99-00 Si was rated at 160. Where are you getting the ITR rated at 175 hp??

whoops sry you are right; but it is still less at wheels.

 

[jamesA]

Yeah, it's probably right around 170-175 at the wheels.

 

[12secondCRX]

Another question about the motor is what kind of WHP is it going to take to get this car into the 11's. I was thinking it's probably going to take about 250-275. Is that about right or not.

 

[jamesA]

Originally posted by 12secondCRX@Dec 22 2003, 01:33 AM
Another question about the motor is what kind of WHP is it going to take to get this car into the 11's. I was thinking it's probably going to take about 250-275. Is that about right or not.

if the car weighs around 1100 lbs yes. whp for a 2300 lb FWD car I'm going to guess around 500 hp...depending on the transmission/tires/suspension.

 

[NotUrAverage_Si]

Originally posted by revolution8k+Dec 22 2003, 02:39 AM-->

12secondCRX

@Dec 22 2003, 01:33 AM
Another question about the motor is what kind of WHP is it going to take to get this car into the 11's. I was thinking it's probably going to take about 250-275. Is that about right or not.

if the car weighs around 1100 lbs yes. whp for a 2300 lb FWD car I'm going to guess around 500 hp...depending on the transmission/tires/suspension.

wow if 250whp is all it takes to get into the 11's, then 300whp should put me in the 10 second club!

yeah 500whp should get you there, possibly a little more depending on what revolution8k said.

 

[jamesA]

500 hp should be pretty good. Considering there's a guy with a 2458 lb Escort GT runnin 11.22s on his stock axles and making roughly 545 whp.

 

[12secondCRX]

I want to know who you guys know that have made 500+ WHP all-motor? From what I've been told Bisi,Leslie and Erick are only in the 325+ range so you might check your numbers.

 

[h22bubbleback]

Originally posted by theB16tegguy@Dec 21 2003, 01:52 AM
we just discussed that weight is good in a drag car.... Okay? and why don't you look and see how much torque the H22 puts out before you try to tell me B18c1 is better.

r u a fucking moron??? b18c > h22....i wonder why the b18c holds the record for fastest 1/4 time for a N/A honda

 

[K2e2vin]

Originally posted by 12secondCRX@Dec 22 2003, 04:41 PM
I want to know who you guys know that have made 500+ WHP all-motor? From what I've been told Bisi,Leslie and Erick are only in the 325+ range so you might check your numbers.

they are stating numbers to move a heavy car(around 2300lbs) to those times. bisi, leslie, and aguilar all have lightened cars; around 1600lbs(aguilar's is probally the lightest)

 

[BigJ]

GSR would be best IMO because of the vast area of improvement and most respects best bang for the buck while keeping a mere stock motor weight.

Personally, it might be cheaper to slap an h22a in for more then the gsr and put better numbers down, but down the road it wouldn't be nearly as beneficial for your style and racing choice as to have the gsr.

 

[97hatch]

ok this is my opnion. A BXXxX motor is a very forgiving driveline (AKA it can take lots of abuse). I have seen b motors that are beat to death and are still runing strong and i have seen a few h motors that are run just as hard and spin a bearing or throw a rod /float a valve. ok i know you will brobaly not be keeping stock internals so this isnt as mich as an issue. But look at the R/S ratio on a b motor it is far greater than a h motor so there for you can rev it higher and get mor power if built right and you wont be doing rebuilds as often.

 

[K2e2vin]

Originally posted by h22bubbleback+Dec 22 2003, 05:32 PM-->

theB16tegguy

@Dec 21 2003, 01:52 AM
we just discussed that weight is good in a drag car.... Okay? and why don't you look and see how much torque the H22 puts out before you try to tell me B18c1 is  better.

r u a fucking moron??? b18c > h22....i wonder why the b18c holds the record for fastest 1/4 time for a N/A honda

if you were to base this on drag racing, then get a f22 and some carbs y0.

 

[SeanJohn1802]

Originally posted by E_SolSi@Dec 21 2003, 12:54 AM
get a B18C1 (GSR engine) lots of potential ... easy swap

i think this is the best choice, and then just build it up for turbo. . stock handle up to about 8psi . . . its got a lot more potential is a bit cheaper down the road

but a b18c5 would be nice, if you gutted the shit out of the car, and with basic bolt ons, you could kiss the 13s for sure

 

[K2e2vin]

he wants a n/a build.

 

[12secondCRX]

I want to thank you all for the reply's. Looks like I'll probably being going with the B18c1 motor because my buddy might be able to get me a deal.

 

[jamesA]

Originally posted by 12secondCRX@Dec 22 2003, 03:41 PM
I want to know who you guys know that have made 500+ WHP all-motor? From what I've been told Bisi,Leslie and Erick are only in the 325+ range so you might check your numbers.

I was talking about a heavy car as k2e2vin said, but I wasn't saying that 545 hp Escort is all motor either.

 

[K2e2vin]

Originally posted by 12secondCRX@Dec 22 2003, 04:41 PM
I want to know who you guys know that have made 500+ WHP all-motor?

how about some companies?--Honda, Ferrari, BMW, and all other F1 motor builders. 800-900whp N/A 3L v6. drop that in your civic!

 

[12secondCRX]

Originally posted by K2e2vin+Dec 22 2003, 10:12 PM-->

12secondCRX

@Dec 22 2003, 04:41 PM
I want to know who you guys know that have made 500+ WHP all-motor?

how about some companies?--Honda, Ferrari, BMW, and all other F1 motor builders. 800-900whp N/A 3L v6. drop that in your civic!

I meant in Import Drag Racing because that's what this is being built for, not for F1!! Still not sure but any more info would be great and Happy holidays!!!

 

[theB16tegguy]

Originally posted by Slammed89Integra@Dec 22 2003, 05:47 PM
GSR would be best IMO because of the vast area of improvement and most respects best bang for the buck while keeping a mere stock motor weight.

Personally, it might be cheaper to slap an h22a in for more then the gsr and put better numbers down, but down the road it wouldn't be nearly as beneficial for your style and racing choice as to have the gsr.

that's what I'm trying to say.... it sounds to me like he's on a very tight budget for an NA build. That's all...

 

[ef9civicgen4]

b16, no contest. if your going to make it a drag car you'll probable end up changing all the internals. get sleeves that bore it out to a 1.8 w/forged pistons, rods, and whatnot. here i'll make a list.

B16A2-$1800
Sleeves (Darton 84mm)-$420
Rods (Eagle)-$370
Pistons (JE Pistons 84mm Hi-Comp 12.5:1)- $440
(CP Pistons 84mm Lo-Comp 9.1:1)- $449
Piston Rings- $100
Wrist Pins- $100
Total- $3239 not bad for a bullet proof bottom end

all part from raceeng.com

and all for less than an H22, B18C5, and B16B.

for the rest for head package (Headwork package with dual springs, titanium retainers, (nitride) stainless steel valves) $1450 from HERE, and $1700 custom turbo (20lb).

for a grand total of $6389 easily an 11sec Honda. and yes i know i forgot some stuff like axles, belt, itm, cams, ect... but thats the basic.