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Cooling down my H22 Accord.

Discussion in 'Accord' started by klacker1, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. klacker1

    klacker1 EX all the way!

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    Hey people... I'm not too knowledgeable about cars, only that I want mine to go as fast as possible! Ive gotten great advice here from you guys and therefore went with the H22 for my 90 Accord. Everything is going great, but was gonna try to make everything a bit colder under the hood. Which is better, a transmission cooler or an intercooler??? I know most turbo charged cars have intercoolers, but is it possible to have one for a car without a turbo? thanks for your help everyone!
     
  2. daveholiday

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    Here's the way I see it, others may see it a lot differently. I don't know about a transmission cooler to be honestly, so I'll skip that, I'm not even sure what it is exactly besides my obvious assumption that it cools your transmission:) Anyway, as far as an intercooler, that would help with the temp of the air entering your intake, I guess, but do you realize how much extra pipe you're going to have? I assume you mean a FMI, so there's going to be a TON of extra pipe, and you're throttle response will probably be close to non-existent. Do you want to cool down the temp of the bay or of the air? A simple CAI will suffice, or if you'd like to stick the in-bay intakes, then you can buy a scoop, or make a duct that leads into your bay. For example, on my crx, the fog light slot on the side of the intake is cut out, and there's a duct that leads right into my engine bay, right under my air filter. Is this 100% effective or fool proof? No. But it gets air in there, little bit colder and into my intake and little bit colder air into my engine bay. Not much, but a little.

    Thats my look
     
  3. klacker1

    klacker1 EX all the way!

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    Thanks for the info! Now, I don't really know the terms FMI and such... so I suppose I'll look those up. The reason why I ask this is cuz I spoke to a mechanic and he said that both of these coolers would work to cool things down under the hood, but he doesn't specialize in performance and my performance mechanics are out of town at the moment, so I am asking on hondaswap. I basically want everything to be at a colder/lower temperature (but not too low) to have the car running better. Right now, when my car gets really hot, it's acceleration begins to suck balls when I come to a complete stop and take off again.
     
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    FMI is short for front mount intercooler.

    Definitions of Transmission Cooler on the Web:
    [SIZE=-1]A heat exchanger similar to a small radiator through which automatic transmission fluid passes and is cooled by airflow.
    www.rv-coach.com/rv/glossary/terms/glossary.html[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]a heat disperser in which the transmission fluid passes through coils and is cooled by airflow.
    www.rv-help.com/glossary.htm[/SIZE]
    I assume that this would only help, but how much it would help is beyond me, until now, I didn't even know about them. I don't know how much it would cool down the engine bay. I honestly would say to get some sort of scoop, or duct to get more air into your engine bay, that will help. I know a kid on here who actually installed a Mercedes pusher fan, which I believe helped cool down his stuff a lot.
     
  5. klacker1

    klacker1 EX all the way!

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    Cool! Well, here's the thing... I have one transmission cooler in there right now, but still, things get a bit too heated cuz I can feel some of the heat coming through the AC vents and around my CD player faceplate. So I found out that I can have another one in there for a total of two transmission coolers. The mechanic said that would help alot, but, again, didn't say how much it would help. I was also gonna get a carbon fiber hood with vents on it... would that allow more air flow into my bay?
     
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    Sure would. That'd be the best choice as apposed to buying a hood scoop and installing it or something, I just wasn't sure if you wanted to spend the money on a new hood.
     
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    I'm not convinced that some thing's not wrong with the car. I don't understand why it's overheating to begin with. I mean if this was an H22 into a Civic and he was using a puny little half-radiator, you might expect some problems with excess heat. Into an Accord though? The H22 is like a stock motor into the Accord, so I don't understand why it would be behaving like that.
     
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    I agree with you Brutal. I'm almost convinced something's wrong with the car. It runs great and all, and even though it's not overheating, it does get kinda hot, but the temp needle never goes to red or anything and my car never smokes or anything like that. But like I mentioned, once it does get warmed up and running after like 20 minutes, if I come to a complete stop and start up again, my acceleration sucks balls!! I don't understand it... I wonder if anyone else has had this problem. Got any suggestions Brutal?
     
  9. norcalgsr

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    I swapped an H22 into a 91 Accord and never had any issues with it becoming hot at all. My guess is that something isn't right with your cooling system. Clogged radiator, bad water pump, cooling fan problem, something of that nature possibly.
     
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    yes... address this issue first. if you really trust the guys that did this install, take it to them and tell them what you are experiencing. if you think they are blowing you off, you need to get a second opinion. you can ask a lot of questions on the web but some things need to be experienced in person.

    i am with dave holiday on intake cooling... in my opinion, you should segregate the air filter from the heat of the engine bay and then provide fresh air in this area. the picture in my head is some sort of a box in that area of the engine compartment. usually things are set up for cold air from stock (like the crx) so most of the access is already there. keep in mind that unless you are stopped completely there is plenty of fresh air coming in around your headlights, hood and other areas. :)
     
  11. klacker1

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    Oh, trust me, there's enough air going through everywhere. I also already have a cold air intake, which is what confuses me a little more about the heat problem. The guys that did the work are very trustworthy, because they did the work quick and it all worked great in the beginning. They're just out of town at the moment. Rest assured I'll be asking them all these questions and they'll be checking it out. They're the ones located on the website on my signature... one of the very few performance places I could find in Los Angeles... i couldn't find a single website for one in L.A. They're really great in my opinion. They'll be back soon, so it's good stuff.
     
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    i am starting to read way too much into this thread...

    yeah, upon further review i think whatever you are doing is ridiculous... :)
     
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    klacker1 EX all the way!

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    I don't understand. What do you mean by that?
     
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    I havea 90 Acoord with an H22 and it never over heats i think that ethier tha motor has problems with it or its something worst
     
  15. klacker1

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    Well see, here's the thing. It's not overheating, it just gets really hot underneath the gear-shift, but the main thing is once it's warmed up, the acceleration is super crappy. My mechanic advised me it may be an ECU problem. He took a look at it and he said someone "supposedly" chipped the P13, but from what I hear, you can't chip those. He advised me to get a P28 chipped with a prelude program. He's gonna review the car tomorrow for any other errors he may find.
     
  16. norcalgsr

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    If it is chipped you should be able to have someone make you a chip with a stock map to put in the one you have now. I don't see any reason not to keep the P13 unless there's something else wrong with it.

    Did you happen to remove any of the heat shielding above the exhaust, under the gear shift area, when you did the H22 swap? I remember cutting a small hole underneath the shifter area on one of my old Hondas and it created a lot more heat on the shifter. Just a thought..
     
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    u should use the p28 & have it set up exactly for the h22. did u keep all the h22 sensors & use the accord harness? i did the same swap w/ a 91 accord using the p28 because the p13 couldn't be chipped or so i was told; i have a whole crew that has worked for honda for 8 yrs or more & they all say that the p13 wont run it right w/ the swap. i xed out the knock sensor & the crank sensor & wired the vtech to the ecu. i wanted to use the h's harness since i have it, but 100 people said it wouldn't fit the engine bay which didn't make since to me because this is the engine that comes in this car in japan & it's a jdm h22 so y wouldn't it fit. but i guess that's just the way it is sometimes:ph34r:
     
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    The P13 comes stock on the 92-95 Prelude VTEC so I would love to know why they think it won't run right. Having personally swapped an H22a into a 91 Accord with a P13 ECU I can tell you it runs perfectly fine.
     
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    well if you r running it str8t stock w/ no mods i guess maybe it would. did u use the accord harness & add the vtec, knock & iab in. i use a skunk2 intake mani so there is no iab or egr or crank sensor, so that's prbly y we didn't use it & everyone says u can't chip the p13, which i don't get because i wondered the same thing myself. also did u get any cel at all. in the process of finishing up myself so any input would b gr8tly appreciated:ph34r:
     
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    i also xed out the knock sensor as well
     
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