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Different sway bars for EG hatch

Discussion in 'Civic and del Sol - EG and EK' started by CAFROG, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. CAFROG

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    I am on my way to the recyclers today and need some extra info before I head there.

    I am looking for OEM sway bar for my hatch.

    I 'think' there's three rear sway bars for the Integra

    LS....GSR...and Type R

    I read (online) that the LS is the smallest diameter of them all

    And I've been told (EG6SIR) that the type R needs an ASR brace to avoid tear out

    So does the LS sway need the brace too? Since its smaller...
    I would think it allows more flex

    Please fill me in on any info that you may have on the subject
     
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    Do I need the Integra Lower Control Arms too?

    Was told my fronts have the mounting holes but not the rear
     
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    Found help on another site

    need Teg or 4-door 92-95 EX LCA's or aftermarket shiny stuff lol

    GSR should work with no subframe brace b/c its 14mm...??
     
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    d-mon what r u compensating 4?

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    what year?
    92-95 rear lca's do not have mounting holes.
    easiest is to get integra rear lca's.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The 4-door EX came with sways but they are small...

    My Si does NOT have them
     
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    i could have sworn the SI had a rear sway bar..

    and yea.. you'll only need teh subframe brace if you're going w/ a large bar like the ITR or other aftermarket.. GSR 14mm should be fine..
     
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    Got a 14mm GSR sway and LCA's/hardware

    I'm 'suppose to' have four threaded holes for the anchor for the sway (attaches to subframe)

    I looked and I think I'm okay....if not, I can drill it out and put a nut on the other side.

    My si does have front sway bar but thats it
     
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    A friend scared me a little when he told me that these little mods were going to put a considerable amount more strain on the bushings (guessing lower control arms)

    If anyone wants to chime in...on a scale of 1-5 how much more strain will be applied after the rear sway and OEM integra front strut bar.?
     
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    lets put it this way.. its not gonna be that much strain because its basically a stock sway bar for those LCAs/bushings.. :shrug:
     
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    d-mon what r u compensating 4?

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    the mounting holes are in the subframe, but they are not threaded.
    i used bolts flatwashers, lock washers, and nuts from Lowes. put them in while you have the lca's out.
    3 years of canyon driving and no tears.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for letting me know its not threaded.

    Guy at the recycler told me that if it wasn't threaded...to put nuts on the other side when the control arm is off....just like you said ^^
     
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    i wouldnt use it as a subframe brace.. lol
     
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    ha ha...yes I know just wondering if I need something for the GSR sway....everyone says it';; be fine but figure a rip out would total my car
     
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    you could always go with something like this.. not as bling as the ASR.. but it serves its purpose

    Welcome to Beaks Products
     
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    d-mon what r u compensating 4?

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    not a subframe brace and yes, it's a cheap ebay part. it's a bar, hard (but not impossible) to f*ck up.
    shocks and springs are a different story.
    by itself, i wouldn't expect it to do much.
    but with the bar across the top of the (rear) shock towers, it makes the body more rigid.
    hardly a suspension part, though, it just attaches to body where the suspension does.

    avoid the beaks if using a heavy bar:
    http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f27/civic-subframe-tear-out-beaks-kit-183381/
    and unnecessary for stock sway bars.
     
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    So I have heard and seen some pics of subframe tear out....with that Beaks $70 kit

    But it was obviously a much bigger sway then mine

    Civic subframe tear out with beaks kit - Honda Forum / Acura Forum - SuperHonda.com

    Its an old thread but it talks about tein, eibach, s-tech's and other "soft" springs make this happen easier then stiffer springs.

    Does anyone know if Neuspeed race springs are considered soft or stiff? I have never had other springs in my hatch
     
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    Neuspeed race springs should be pretty stiff.. never driven on them though
     
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    d-mon what r u compensating 4?

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    you just posted the same link i did?????
    look at it this way:
    the sway bar acts like a 'helper' spring. (in that it adds resistance to the travel of the LCAs). the softer the springs, the more 'work' the sway bar has to do. it transfers the energy of the rolling body (sway) to the thin sheet metal the of the subframe via the 'D' clamps.
    the less the sway bar 'gives' (this is determined by the thickness of the sway bar), the more energy is transfered to the thin sheet metal subframe.
    look at the pics in the link that i (and you) posted.
    the subframe is completely torn. yet where the LCA mounts is still intact.
    the beaks kit does not address the subframe weakness issue.
    the asr subframe brace mounts where the LCAs mount to the body/frame/subframe etc.
    just about any aftermarket lowering spring is stiffer than stock. (cheapo ebay springs may or may not be. roll the dice if you feel lucky)
    3rd gen integras have been rolling around on stock sway bars without blinging subframe braces for 15 years with no issues.
    my civic has 3+ years of obnoxious canyon driving on integra sway bar direct to subframe without issues.

    cliffs:
    big sway bar 19+mm = get an asr type brace and mount it correctly
    integra sway bar = bolts right up
    soft springs = teh suxors in any setup
     
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    I wish I could see a ASR brace in person. Is it like flat stock or does is have contours?

    If its flat....I'm gonna make one tomorrow out of mild steel (yes its heavier but it'll give me more down-force lmao)
     
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