ok first off sorry if there is a thread about this. well i bought the ebay tie bars. got the front top and bottom and rear top and bottom for $70. took about 20 min to get them all on. and with the ls swap in my del sol before they were on the body twisted pretty bad when taking off full throtal when it dosent spin. after there is almost no twist. i love it. car handles alot better than before. so overall i recomend the ebay bars to whoever does not have alot of money and would like to tighten up the body of there car.