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ek type -r with a bit of blue smoke

Discussion in 'Civic and del Sol - EG and EK' started by el niño type-R, Oct 21, 2007.

  1. el niño type-R

    el niño type-R **$$

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    was up guys, hope you can help... my itr head came back from the machine shop i had new valve seals and the head cleaned.. the head is now in and still a bit of smoke (blue) comes out when i gun it a lil i know what the black smoke is it is a bit rich but i thought the seals would have taken care of the lil bit of blue smoke ...need to know from you guys what you think before i buy the piston ring kit for it...thanks
     
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    easy way to see if the rings are causing that is to do a compression test.
     
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    Not necessarily- a leakdown test will tell you more.
     
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    leak down test ftw! compression will do almost as good too tho..
     
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    Not if the compression rings are good and the problem is the oil control rings.. it will look normal on a compression test.
     
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    its true...i use the terms interchangeably like they do the same thing...and i really shouldnt.
     
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    Most of the time a compression test does tell you though.. fwiw.
     
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    yeah, i know, thats why i use them interchangeably.
     
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    I do too most of the time :D
     
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    No, you shouldn't. ;) To me, they're very different. There's SO much more you can diagnose with a leakdown test compared to a compression test- but both are important, and one doesn't ever completely replace the other.
     
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    thanks for all your info ...compression test showed it was the rings so we had new ones put in.. but the guy said that now i will only smoke black smoke cuz i have a killer program and it is hella rich ...anyone know some specific # that i can plug into my chip...to make it run hard and fast but still not be so rich.. i think im loosing most of my power from the richness..thanks:confused:
     
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    You're definitely losing power if you're running rich.. but you are also burning up your O2 sensors and your cat converter as well. What engine management are you running?
     
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    i dont know what mngnt im running my buddy took off the chip i had that had really rich and the nunmbers were out of wack.. and he put a rewritable chip and on his laptop he played with some #'s i.e. v-tech and rev limiter and all type of shit he said it will run hard but we still need to do sevreal test runs....thats what i ment by do anyone have a program for a b18c that is a killer plus not so rich ...cuz i am so tempted to wipe the chip and go back to stock...thanks:mellow:
     
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    and also.... thanks norcalgsr for your help
     
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    a little GREY smoke when running rich is not a big issue. it happends as you get closer to 12.5-13:1 the smoke gets darker, and is just draining your power.

    The map I had on my prelude you could see a little bit of grey smoke when you were really on it, but other than that it was fine. That was tuned between 13.5 and 13.8:1 the entire way up the rev band (richening up at the very top).
     
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    to give you an idea i just went outside turn the ek on waited a lil bit then i reved it up 2 times and went to the back and then i saw a 3 foot line of black powder from the tip out 3 feet plus some dripping of what i think is water off of the tip...is that rich or what...for my car to spit black shit out (black suet/some drips of water) after driving for a bit the water stops but the black smoke is always i gun it...I could never rev it up at a red light cuz i would owe the guy behind me a carwash...
     
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    The water is normal it's just condensation in the exhaust.. it does sound like you are running very rich however.
     
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    its actually a product of the catalytic reaction....but its still normal :)
     
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    Oops you're right.. my bad :D
     
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    ^SO TRUE ^
     
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