Ford Focus Hit by New Quality Glitch

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Originally posted by sleepergtx@Nov 21 2003, 10:24 PM
If you want to talk about Quality Control, Go to the company that made the part that failed, and blame THEIR engineers for that...after all, THEY produced the flawed piece. See my point?
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The thing you are neglecting to mention is the idea of full product liability. No one forced ford to use those products, and in choosing to use these flawed components ford is taking on all of the responsabillity associated with them. If ford really cared they would have one of their quality control people at the plant where they make these parts.
Personally my experiences with ford have not been bad at all. My girlfriends cobra with 89k runs beautifully.
 
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Guy @ Nov 22 2003 said:
sleepergtx
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Guy @ Nov 22 2003 said:
@Nov 21 2003, 10:24 PM
If you want to talk about Quality Control, Go to the company that made the part that failed, and blame THEIR engineers for that...after all, THEY produced the flawed piece. See my point?
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The thing you are neglecting to mention is the idea of full product liability. No one forced ford to use those products, and in choosing to use these flawed components ford is taking on all of the responsabillity associated with them. If ford really cared they would have one of their quality control people at the plant where they make these parts.
Personally my experiences with ford have not been bad at all. My girlfriends cobra with 89k runs beautifully.
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Geez, you're missing the entire point!!!! You're sitting here blaming Ford for a part that another company made. Ford has no control over the quality of that product. Put the fucking blame where it fucking belongs already! on the company that MADE the product. Why can't you see that damn point? The ultimate responsibility over that product DOES NOT belong to Ford. They did not design it, they did not build it, and they are not responsible for testing it. :rant: :rant: :rant:
 
Geez, you're missing the entire point!!!! You're sitting here blaming Ford for a part that another company made. Ford has no control over the quality of that product. Put the fucking blame where it fucking belongs already! on the company that MADE the product. Why can't you see that damn point? The ultimate responsibility over that product DOES NOT belong to Ford. They did not design it, they did not build it, and they are not responsible for testing it.

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thats a real good point..
 
Sleepler you're honda radio is NOT made by honda, Im not sure who makes it but its not honda. With most parts in a car, companies have to go out and do research on the best places to buy their parts. chances are most all parts on your Civic SI are not made by honda but rebaged. Honda just happens to be a better company when it comes to buying "good quality parts" VS other companys.

If ford spent the extra few cents for the higher quality parts, maybe then they would not have had so many problems over the last 20 years.

As far as the Firestone thing goes if you look around the net you can find different takes on WHY they blew out. Ford IMO is to blame not firestone but Im not going to get into it.

I do think Ford handles theirselfs very well and I have no problem with the company.

Ray said customers affected by the engine problem would get an extended 10-year vehicle warranty on the fuel replacement part
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Ford gets the spotlight just like Microsoft does. If one of their products isn't perfect, it's all over the news. Just because they're the biggest/most well known. But how many times does Hyundai, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Kia, Dodge, etc make crap cars that don't hold up? Quite often actually.
 
This all is kinda like when Firestone Tires were blowing out, and they happened to be on Ford vehicles.... People were starting lawsuits w/ Ford, when it was another companies product that was defective..... Its horrible.
 
Originally posted by Prowler@Nov 22 2003, 12:49 PM
Ford gets the spotlight just like Microsoft does. If one of their products isn't perfect, it's all over the news. Just because they're the biggest/most well known. But how many times does Hyundai, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Kia, Dodge, etc make crap cars that don't hold up? Quite often actually.
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Its funny you mention that, cause I just thought I start off replying by saying I am Mexican (to clarify things and not make anyone think I am racist).

I bought a 91 civic (4 dr w/ auto tranny 131,000 miles on it). ANYWAYS, my dad helped me get a good deal on it cause these mexicans were selling it to him (funny how they haggle). My point, I am studying to become a technician in school right now and my car has ran into "little" problems.
  • Lug nuts missing from front right rim
  • Brake bleeders were torqued as a mother and one was broken
  • Timing (I am so damn sure), is off
  • They apparantly don't know what 'Fuel Injector Cleaner' is
  • Ignition coil was dying and they never bothered to try and check it [Fixed by me]
I wouldn't blame the company. First off, I would kick myself in the ass for buying it. Second, I would run over the mexicans that sold me the bucket of problems (but the car might deaccelerate to 10 when I try and hit the gas).


:tisk: you damn mexicans

-GomezKun :ph34r:
 
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Nov 20 2003, 05:42 PM
uh ok.

Ford :owned: but :gives: ?
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nicely put! I hate ford! anyone want to buy a 429c.i. Ford engine for $500 or a 351M (351 Block, 400 Head) for $300 or both cars for $750? Didn't think so, FORD SUCKS
 
Originally posted by sleepergtx+Nov 22 2003, 12:11 PM-->
sleepergtx @ Nov 22 2003 said:
Originally posted by Guy@Nov 22 2003, 10:35 AM
sleepergtx
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sleepergtx @ Nov 22 2003 said:
@Nov 21 2003, 10:24 PM
If you want to talk about Quality Control, Go to the company that made the part that failed, and blame THEIR engineers for that...after all, THEY produced the flawed piece. See my point?
Click to expand...

The thing you are neglecting to mention is the idea of full product liability. No one forced ford to use those products, and in choosing to use these flawed components ford is taking on all of the responsabillity associated with them. If ford really cared they would have one of their quality control people at the plant where they make these parts.
Personally my experiences with ford have not been bad at all. My girlfriends cobra with 89k runs beautifully.
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Geez, you're missing the entire point!!!! You're sitting here blaming Ford for a part that another company made. Ford has no control over the quality of that product. Put the fucking blame where it fucking belongs already! on the company that MADE the product. Why can't you see that damn point? The ultimate responsibility over that product DOES NOT belong to Ford. They did not design it, they did not build it, and they are not responsible for testing it. :rant: :rant: :rant:
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i really think it is you that is missing the point. here is an analogy to help you understand.
My family owns a resturant. If someone orders a meal and gets sick from it, we are the ones responsable. even if the problem was bad meat or something else we had no "control" over, we are still completly liable ( i believe the legal term we used in my buisiness law class is full or strict product liability). By choosing this companies product and including it in our meals we are saying that we endorse this product, and take full liability for anything that comes of it. To aviod this we use the most quality stuff we can afford without putting us in the red, as getting lawsuits and the loss of business associated with unsafe food isnt really what we are shooting for as a business.
I hope that helps you see where it is that i am coming from.
 
Originally posted by liquid00meth@Nov 22 2003, 05:33 PM
actually the focus SVT has pretty sick handling stock.
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and the cosworth they showed on top gear killed the civic R. I still love honda's most but ford has some cool stuff also.


and I feel wayyyy better about a car built in canada than one built in mexico.
 
Originally posted by Guy+Nov 22 2003, 07:01 PM-->
Guy @ Nov 22 2003 said:
Originally posted by sleepergtx@Nov 22 2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Guy@Nov 22 2003, 10:35 AM
sleepergtx
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Guy @ Nov 22 2003 said:
@Nov 21 2003, 10:24 PM
If you want to talk about Quality Control, Go to the company that made the part that failed, and blame THEIR engineers for that...after all, THEY produced the flawed piece. See my point?
Click to expand...

The thing you are neglecting to mention is the idea of full product liability. No one forced ford to use those products, and in choosing to use these flawed components ford is taking on all of the responsabillity associated with them. If ford really cared they would have one of their quality control people at the plant where they make these parts.
Personally my experiences with ford have not been bad at all. My girlfriends cobra with 89k runs beautifully.
Click to expand...

Geez, you're missing the entire point!!!! You're sitting here blaming Ford for a part that another company made. Ford has no control over the quality of that product. Put the fucking blame where it fucking belongs already! on the company that MADE the product. Why can't you see that damn point? The ultimate responsibility over that product DOES NOT belong to Ford. They did not design it, they did not build it, and they are not responsible for testing it. :rant: :rant: :rant:
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i really think it is you that is missing the point. here is an analogy to help you understand.
My family owns a resturant. If someone orders a meal and gets sick from it, we are the ones responsable. even if the problem was bad meat or something else we had no "control" over, we are still completly liable ( i believe the legal term we used in my buisiness law class is full or strict product liability). By choosing this companies product and including it in our meals we are saying that we endorse this product, and take full liability for anything that comes of it. To aviod this we use the most quality stuff we can afford without putting us in the red, as getting lawsuits and the loss of business associated with unsafe food isnt really what we are shooting for as a business.
I hope that helps you see where it is that i am coming from.
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I'm gonna nut kick you.

Anyway, your family owns a restaurant. It's ten times easier spotting bad meat than it is spotting a broken starter, or helical gears that have a flaw. I simply do not care anymore, I'm sick of Ford being blamed for every little fucking thing. The mere fact that Ford is one of the OLDEST car companies, and is STILL making money even with all these recalls, leads me to believe that Fords quality is not as bad as you think.

Ford IS taking full liability. they eat the cost to replace all the shit that is recalled. The fact that they put themselves out on the line and make the public recall and pay for it makes me think they care about quality more than you think. Give it up. I don't give a fuck if your family is liable for bad meat.
 
heres the thing, as i said earlier i think ford is a fine automotive manufacturer. They have been in business for quite some time, and that definitly says something. You are focusing to much on the situation of my analogy (i was afraid youd do that :rolleyes: ) and not the principles involved. either way im glad you have an opinion on it, and i know that regardless of its recalls if i ever get a chance to purchase a new gt40 id jump at it. thanks for reading and peace out-side
 
All I want is for people to publicly admit I have a point and be done with it. (a few have said so on AIM and MSN...) and even a few in this thread have said so. Ford is not the king of shitty quality. Everyone has problems. Thats all I'm getting at.

I learned about sport compacts on a Ford. My Escort was and still is my first love of a car. I regret selling it... but I know it's in good hands, and will be loved and built the same way I wanted to build it. :worthy:

If I could afford it, I'd buy ANY Mustang, V6, GT, Mach I, or the SVT Cobra. I'd buy a Mercury Marauder, an SVT Focus, an Escort ZX2, hell even any Taurus SHO. I have no problems with Fords, and looking back on it, I never had a "quality" issue with my Escort. The timing belt and starter were just old... 11 years is a long time. But for my power lock actuators to go out on a 3 yr old Civic??? I couldn't believe that... :(
 
going out on a limb here......

but here it goes...

Once you lived in America...worked in the factory's..and seen what corners the workers take to save time, and get the job done...and the problems that they face with the unions, everyday life, domestic fueds, bar time, attitudes while at work, and the shit they have to put up with....it will scare you. My sister is a quality assurance inspector for GM, she had told me over the phone things that will make me never concider buying one of their cars, all the backstabbing she see's, the crap that she had to reject, and basic problems that the worker miss becouse they have their head stuck up in the clouds from drug abuse, or family problems, and the list can go on and on.

Once you lived in Japan.....it is completely different, they have an honor system that shows what pride in their work really is, they also get paid decently enough to actually survive with in the local cost of living, and they are way happier to work, and get the job done right the first time.....its all in the attitude. YOu can see the difference with the actual parts that they put on their cars, the reject rates are very low, and the parts,/cars are built to better quality.

Once you live in a third world country...your just happy to have a job, your not educated, you make more money than most of the local population, and you dont have to comply with a strict Qualit Assurance program, you just have to show up, punh in, try to get as much done, punch out, go home and deal with the family.

Case in point.......dont buy an American car built on a Monday, or a friday....mondays are bad becouse the workers are preoccupied with telling the other workers their kill stories at the local bar, and they are also grumpy for having to show up to work, or maybe the wife burned them out on the week-end. Fridays are bad as well, most car manufactures will keep you to the last day of the week, to keep the production numbers up, but 20 mins before your shift is over, they come and fire you....and also the point that the workers are pre-occupied with making plans for the week-end.....what bars to go hit up, and where their going to drag the family for the week-end.

The Japanese worker has better control over their lives, they were raised up in a culture where everything has to be perfect all the time. They have strictor measures for quality than the American company's have, and they have pride in their work....

I am not going to look up any statisics.....but for the amount of cars driving in any state/city, consider the number of Domestic cars and JDM cars to be equal...then look in the junk yards, and take a look that more USDM cars litter the lot more than JDM cars..and notice that the majority of the cars for the USDM side has the bodies still in fairly mint condition, as if the car just stopped running. While most of the Import cars, are mostly crashed from collisions due to driver error......and look at the odometers......for both.


Thats something to think about.
 
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