95b16coupe
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one of the most epic posts in the history of hondaswap. it really, really is. a lot of you guys just really don't understand how much is fucked up right now.
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one of the most epic posts in the history of hondaswap. it really, really is. a lot of you guys just really don't understand how much is fucked up right now.
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So he bowed, what's the big deal. "Aww crap, Cletus, now they think America showed respect to someone! Tarnation! Now they's gonna send over them terrorists cause they gonna think we're all weak and Canadian-like!"
the problem is that he doesnt portray an image of strength to countries/leaders/populations who only respect strength.... he has gone on an unending apology and ass kissing tour since day 1 in office, which has made even our "friends" question our resolve
- bush was not a good public speaker, and had every mistake and flub sprawled out in the media
- obama is a good public reader who is incapable of speaking without a teleprompter... yet any mistakes or flubs are glossed over as unimportant, even when he blatantly expresses marxist/socialist ideals, not by mistakenly saying the wrong thing, but by mistakenly saying what he actually believes instead of the easily digested tidbits of feelgood "socialism light" that his handlers wanted him to say
another large difference between bush and obama is:
- bush loved this country for what it is and thought that it was a great place and wanted to spread its ideals and influence around the world
- obama does not love this country for what it is, nor does he think that it is a great place, evident by his desire to spread euro-socialist "progressive" ideals and influence across the country
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Our President, our Commander and Chief should never bow, kneel, skip or bend over for any other world leader because we wagged a war for our independence. Our forefathers spilled blood, blood from all walks of life to insure that we would never have to bend our knee to anyone. More than that, we have done more for this world than any other civilization to ever walk the face of this earth. We have made mistakes there is no doubt about but instead of spewing an endless string of apologies we learn from them and grow as a people. And this goes for everything.
Obama feels the need to apologize for every everything good or bad. Hell he even threw mud in the face of our biggest ally by giving the bust of Churchill back and giving their PM a bundle of DVD's that dont work over their.
Traditions are important, I dont see why this gets lost when it comes to Americans. But I guess our American traditions where guaranteed to fade away when we stopped talking about the Founding Fathers in school, studying the Constitution and so forth.
It appears that these ideas are completely lost on our more progressive leaders. For some reason we are all concerned with appeasing the world at large. But maybe them being pissed off means we are on the right course. We talk about doing whats right for our country. This was a major point of contention when Bush was in office. How we need to focus here at home and take care of ourselves yet we seem to be busting our ass to conform to the EUs and NATOs idea of what America should be.
Anyway....... That picture made me laugh
Obama feels the need to apologize for every everything good or bad. Hell he even threw mud in the face of our biggest ally by giving the bust of Churchill back and giving their PM a bundle of DVD's that dont work over their.
Traditions are important, I dont see why this gets lost when it comes to Americans. But I guess our American traditions where guaranteed to fade away when we stopped talking about the Founding Fathers in school, studying the Constitution and so forth.
It appears that these ideas are completely lost on our more progressive leaders. For some reason we are all concerned with appeasing the world at large. But maybe them being pissed off means we are on the right course. We talk about doing whats right for our country. This was a major point of contention when Bush was in office. How we need to focus here at home and take care of ourselves yet we seem to be busting our ass to conform to the EUs and NATOs idea of what America should be.
Anyway....... That picture made me laugh
So we can be asses to the rest of the planet because we've earned it? All those humanitarian missions and things we've done for the rest of the world weren't done because they were the right thing to do, but because it served to to make ourselves feel good and gain station above everyone else?
Should we really be carrying him around like Xerxes?
Not bowing to somone that has no control over us is not being an ass. Nor is it snoby it is not OUR custom. I do not understand why all of us have to bust our ass appeasing everyone else. Our presidents don't bow. That should be the end of it. And who cares what the motives are for our charity. We use our aid as a way to garner support and such but isn't that better than funding proxy wars and running hit squads. I am well aware of the fact we have done those things and some of them where miss guided no doubt about that.
I am just tired of the complete distain some people have for OUR history discounting it completly because we fucked up in the past. Who the hell hasn't? I worry that we have lost our way and it will soon be to late to get back on track. Chances are we will be rolled up into the North American Coalition and finally the UN. Then we can all collecivly bow to the President of the UN.
I am just tired of the complete distain some people have for OUR history discounting it completly because we fucked up in the past. Who the hell hasn't? I worry that we have lost our way and it will soon be to late to get back on track. Chances are we will be rolled up into the North American Coalition and finally the UN. Then we can all collecivly bow to the President of the UN.
There's more than one kind of 'bow'. There's 'you are my master, I kneel before you', and 'Greetings to you'. I think part of the problem much of the public is having is that since it's not a typical american custom and they have little experience with it, they think all bows are the first one.
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yes there are different kinds of bows
there are formal and informal bows of greeting, acknowledgment, and respect between peers... and there are bows of submission
a mutual bow of equal depth and length between both parties would be a sign of mutual respect not of submission or weakness
note the bows between Obama and the Queen of England
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71N34K9EVLU
notice that they both offer bows of a slight lowering of the head and slight bend at the waist
this is a show of mutual respect
if only one party bows, then the bowing party is expressing submission (weakness) while the non bowing party is expressing superiority (strength)
now note the bow between Obama and the Emperor of Japan
unless Obama asked asked the emperor to check him for male pattern baldness, id say that is a VERY deep bow (submissive/weak) he is practically 90 degrees
notice that the emperor is not bowing (superior/strong)
less you think this is standard practice and expected, here is a little clip comparing the meetings of Emperor Akihito and several other heads of state to his meeting with Obama
i think its kinda humorous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA
notice what an un-stately jackass he looks like compared to the other heads of state
now again, here he is bowing to Saudi King Abdullah
note the deep bow from Obama... hell he even swept his leg back and bent his knee (aka the bow and scrape)
note the king NOT BOWING
is this a mutual show of respect? or is this a show of dominance and submissiveness???
maybe the picture was taken too early???
and just to keep with the original theme of this thread
there are formal and informal bows of greeting, acknowledgment, and respect between peers... and there are bows of submission
a mutual bow of equal depth and length between both parties would be a sign of mutual respect not of submission or weakness
note the bows between Obama and the Queen of England
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71N34K9EVLU
notice that they both offer bows of a slight lowering of the head and slight bend at the waist
this is a show of mutual respect
if only one party bows, then the bowing party is expressing submission (weakness) while the non bowing party is expressing superiority (strength)
now note the bow between Obama and the Emperor of Japan
unless Obama asked asked the emperor to check him for male pattern baldness, id say that is a VERY deep bow (submissive/weak) he is practically 90 degrees
notice that the emperor is not bowing (superior/strong)
less you think this is standard practice and expected, here is a little clip comparing the meetings of Emperor Akihito and several other heads of state to his meeting with Obama
i think its kinda humorous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA
notice what an un-stately jackass he looks like compared to the other heads of state
now again, here he is bowing to Saudi King Abdullah
note the deep bow from Obama... hell he even swept his leg back and bent his knee (aka the bow and scrape)
note the king NOT BOWING
is this a mutual show of respect? or is this a show of dominance and submissiveness???
maybe the picture was taken too early???
and just to keep with the original theme of this thread
Just what E said, inclining your head to acknowledge someone is one thing. And if you do decide to abide by someone elses customs then don't proform a detailed inspection of their shoes. Dip your head a bit as they do to you. And as the pictures illustrate, thes where not bows of greeting. They where bows stating our weakness. And if President Obamas administration is so big on honoring tradition, why did we send the Bust back? Why did we give thoughtless Wal Mart special gifts? And why was our First Lady touching the Queen?
95b16coupe
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why don't we have foreign advisors for shit like this. it makes Obama look like a jackass and the whole country look like pussies.
I admit those were some pretty deep bows. I still chalk them up to lack of cultural exposure, not that that's any better and is another topic altogether. It reminds me of an American flying to Japan and bowing low to every person they pass on the street, butchering Japanese and searching through their phrase book.
I just don't take it as symbolically as some folks do I guess.
I just don't take it as symbolically as some folks do I guess.
it very well might be a simple lack of knowing what the hell to do or how to do it... it might be a butchered attempt at mimicking their customs
but as the head of a sovereign nation, meeting the head of another sovereign nation, you should not bow... ever... even if only for the reason that you do not want to show body language that MIGHT be viewed as expressing weakness or submissiveness
you are the head of a fucking country... act like it... stand proudly, shake hands firmly, show confidence, speak clearly, make eye contact, etc etc etc...
we've had a lot of job hunt threads on here lately... and if i can derail this for a moment id like to bring reference to those...
how do you (not you specifically DarkHand, anyone reading this) suppose it would be viewed if you walked into an interview and greeted the interviewer in that fashion??? what message would you be putting forward??? would you get the job???
or how bout if you are already at a job and were being introduced to a new supervisor??? or meeting the head of the company??? now these are people who ARE your superiors at work... would you greet them that way??? what message would it be putting forward???
or you are meeting a client or prospective client... you are representing your company... again do you greet them in that manor??? and what does it express if you do???
or hell lets say that you are the head a company... and you are meeting the head of another company... maybe it is a competing company... maybe it is a company you are looking to form a working partnership with... maybe its a company you exchange products or services with... or maybe you are not meeting the head of a company, but a representative from a bank you wish to borrow money from.... do you greet them in that way??? what does it say if you do???
hell even if you are meeting your girlfriends father for the first time you wouldnt greet him like this... not if you expected to ever have his respect anyway
i dunno... i am a firm believer that the way you carry and present yourself speaks volumes to people, and directly effects how they act toward you
but as the head of a sovereign nation, meeting the head of another sovereign nation, you should not bow... ever... even if only for the reason that you do not want to show body language that MIGHT be viewed as expressing weakness or submissiveness
you are the head of a fucking country... act like it... stand proudly, shake hands firmly, show confidence, speak clearly, make eye contact, etc etc etc...
we've had a lot of job hunt threads on here lately... and if i can derail this for a moment id like to bring reference to those...
how do you (not you specifically DarkHand, anyone reading this) suppose it would be viewed if you walked into an interview and greeted the interviewer in that fashion??? what message would you be putting forward??? would you get the job???
or how bout if you are already at a job and were being introduced to a new supervisor??? or meeting the head of the company??? now these are people who ARE your superiors at work... would you greet them that way??? what message would it be putting forward???
or you are meeting a client or prospective client... you are representing your company... again do you greet them in that manor??? and what does it express if you do???
or hell lets say that you are the head a company... and you are meeting the head of another company... maybe it is a competing company... maybe it is a company you are looking to form a working partnership with... maybe its a company you exchange products or services with... or maybe you are not meeting the head of a company, but a representative from a bank you wish to borrow money from.... do you greet them in that way??? what does it say if you do???
hell even if you are meeting your girlfriends father for the first time you wouldnt greet him like this... not if you expected to ever have his respect anyway
i dunno... i am a firm believer that the way you carry and present yourself speaks volumes to people, and directly effects how they act toward you
95b16coupe
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the problem with obama is he's NOT a big swinging dick. we haven't had one for years.
The recipe for a good president is a little Roosevelt, dash of JFK, splash of Clinton and a heaping scoop of Vlad the Impaler.
The recipe for a good president is a little Roosevelt, dash of JFK, splash of Clinton and a heaping scoop of Vlad the Impaler.
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yellowbone12
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sucksssss
Teddy or FDR.
Because teddy was my man. walk softly and carry a big stick. My motto. Don't show what you got until you gotta.
95b16coupe
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^^^^Teddy
95b16coupe
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bringing it back
this mother fucker bows to fucking EVERYONE
here he is bowing to the Mayor of Tampa
even though she's asian, i'd bet $20 she was born in the states.
edit: how did i guess? she was born in fucking maine. Not Maine, Japan. Fucking waterville maine. she might as well be a fucking canadian.
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