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Originally posted by 94RedSiGal+Dec 2 2004, 08:08 PM-->
94RedSiGal @ Dec 2 2004 said:
ahedau
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94RedSiGal @ Dec 2 2004 said:
@Dec 2 2004, 07:43 PM
94RedSiGal: Since you had "Atheist" under your moniker for about a month, I guess that makes all of us some of your closest friends.

If you want to be gay/atheist/liberal/a socialist/global whiner keep it to yourself and stop telling me that I am wrong and have to accept your ideology.
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Well I do have a few people on this board that I am close to, and I felt that since the Christian presence on this small board was so vocal, I wanted to make my feelings known also. I have never addressed you personally as being wrong in ideology or having to accept my beliefs. It's more a response what you and Prowler can be predicted to take a stand on on any given topic which also mirrors what the conservative Republicans have been preaching in the elections and in regards to the war in Iraq. The more vocal the Christians get in our government in terms of the god bless and god is with us shit, the more the rest of us are put in danger from fanatical terrorists. In addition, for those Americans who practice other religions, they feel more uncomfortable living in this country just being themselves. We are supposed to be having a separation of church and state anyway. , And also Christians like to say that those who are not practicing Christians are amoralsomething that pisses me and other non-Christians off. The vocal Christians in the media are not helping our country, just alienating the rest of us and causing more resentments and enemies against Americans in the international community. And that resentment and hate is being unfairly directed at us non-Christian Americans. So I object to that.
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WOW!! I actually agree with 90% of that. the parts in red....not so much
 
Originally posted by ahedau@Dec 2 2004, 08:20 PM
If you make the choice not to beleive, that's fine and I believe your eternal problem. But stop telling me I'm stupid just because I don't agree with you.
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That is EXACTLY what I am talking about right there. You preach on about how we should not call you stupid and put you below everyone else based on your religion, yet you refer to our decision to not beleve as an eternal problem???

Realize that everyone else that does not believe what you do does not has some sort of problem or is somehow wrong. That is my main issue with religion.
 
Originally posted by Sabz5150+Dec 2 2004, 08:25 PM-->
Sabz5150 @ Dec 2 2004 said:
ahedau
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Sabz5150 @ Dec 2 2004 said:
@Dec 2 2004, 08:20 PM
If you make the choice not to beleive, that's fine and I believe your eternal problem.  But stop telling me I'm stupid just because I don't agree with you.
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That is EXACTLY what I am talking about right there. You preach on about how we should not call you stupid and put you below everyone else based on your religion, yet you refer to our decision to not beleve as an eternal problem???

Realize that everyone else that does not believe what you do does not has some sort of problem or is somehow wrong. That is my main issue with religion.
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I can't help myself. I like to push your buttons. I'm far more vocal here than in person. I think we all are.

I have tried to refrain from entering these discussions with as much passion as in the past. This is actually the most civil discussion of this type i can remember. Congrats to everyone.

Sabz & 94red & others have different views than I do. None of us are going to win the other to our position by arguing on this forum. I also don't think I've ever prostyletized here. I have and will continue to state what I believe but will always qualify it as just that, my belief or my opinion.
 
When did you decided that you liked girls? You didn't, did you. It just kind of happened. You saw hot little chicky and said, "damn, she's fine". Is that an excuse to be heterosexual or is it the reason why you're heterosexual? Can you just stop yourself from thinking a pretty girl is pretty? There is nothing wrong with love, period. Nobody said homosexuality is hereditary. Let's look at it this way, with simple dominant and recessive genes...both of my parents have brown hair, one has brown eyes and the other has hazel, why do I have blonde hair and hazel eyes? For that fact, why am I one of the very few in a very large family with blonde hair and hazel eyes? Recessive genes. I'm also the tallest person in my family tree. My point being, homosexuality is no different. I don't use being born with blonde hair as an excuse for not having brown hair, but it is the reason why I don't have brown hair.
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I don't think Prowler meant what he said in that way. I agree with him in this sense, that if homosexuality was entirely a genetic trait it would have ended a long time ago. Why? Not because it's a recessive or dominant trait, but rather that homosexuality results in genetic dead end. Homosexuals cannot pass on their trait because they cannot produce children. Now I understand that the argument can be made that many people involved in hetereosexual marriages may have homosexual feelings, or may have the recessive homosexual gene, which lays dormant and may pass it on through heterosexual child birth.

However, I believe that everytime a straight couple, or a couple with a member that has repressed homosexual feelings creates an offspring that is in fact homosexual, an their genetics have stopped. I say this because, in this day in age, i think the number of open homosexuals far outweighs the number that are involved in heterosexual relationships. Therefore, homosexuality should be evolving to it's eventual end.

However, such is not the case, and that is why i don't entirely believe that homosexuality is a genetic trait. I think it's possible that some homosexuality may be the result of genetics, but also a product of environment, upbringing, and traumatic events that occur during childhood.

As an example of this, albeit a rather poor and hastily thought example, I mention prostitutes. In no way do I relate homosexuality to prostituion, but nonetheless I think there may be some similarities. I don't believe any child is born with the desire to degrade themselves and their body to point of selling themself sexually for money. It usually has a direct correlation to the upbringing of the child and/or a traumatic childhood experience. However there are plenty of strippers, porn stars and prositutes that have had no such experiences. In this case, i think some type of genetic trait has erased the feelings that a "normal" human being may feel

Forgive me for writing a book :) I just wanted to state my piece
 
Exactly.

Every once in awhile I go on ebay and look for boxes of the classic stuff.

Betty Crocker really pulled a "new coke" when they changed the original formula. :(
 
Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me.

If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

Someday you'll understand, you'll evolve.
Accept what you fear and coalesce your soul into the new universal grid.
Learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.
Then, maybe then, you can accept the helper of hamburger's :worthy: "cheesy hashbrowns" :worthy: .
 
the stroganoff isn't that great. i don't like sour cream, but i still buy it since it's $1.23 at Walmart. my favorite is the cheesy italian shells. mmmm....
 
all im gonna say about the whole gay thing is...


i can take every single argument about homosexuality being genetic, not being a choice, or just it being sexual preference and apply every single one of them to pedophilia and bestiality.

who is going to argue the validity of those?

i dont see how sexual taste is any different then musical taste. the fact that i hate country music and listen to mostly hardcore/metal has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. its personal preference, i choose to listen to what i want. just like i choose to fuck who i want. simple as that.
 
Just a side note in referance to there being religions older than christianity that preach about the same god..

Almost every mesopotamian religion was the same. the creation theories and what-not only deviated in the names they assigned to characters.
 
“With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide.â€

“Well, this [lesbianism] may be happiness for you now, but what is going to happen is when you die, you are going to hellâ€

“Muslims are evil people who should be destroyed and annihilated.â€

“God doesn’t hear the prayer of a Jew.â€

“My observation is that women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership.â€

“It is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child.â€

"I am absolutely persuaded one of the reasons so many lesbians are at the forefront of the pro-choice movement is because being a mother is the unique characteristic of womanhood, and these lesbians will never be mothers naturally, so they don't want anybody else to have that privilege either."

This, ladies and gentlemen are what radical christians and evangelicals are saying. Just wait until they get their way with *one* thing, such as banning a book they don't like.

*No, I am not making that shit up. Those are actual quotes from well known radical evangelicals.
 
Fanatical christians are a bigoted, arrogant, self-righteous, and ultimately dangerous people. Coulda told ya this years ago.
 
Originally posted by Blanco@Dec 3 2004, 01:12 PM

And Micah, how do unmolested six year olds decide that they like the same sex? Why are there proven cases of homosexual animals of various species? For that fact, why has my friend's six year old daughter been madly in love with me since she was two (long story)? Because who you're attracted to is already hardwired when you're born. In all fairness, some homosexuals do practice by choice, like the woman who gets tired of men treating her like shit so she turns to women. You honestly can't compare beastiality and pedophilia to homosexuality. Fucking a goat or a five year old is wrong no matter how you slice the pie.

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ah, so your saying that its genetic for a man to love another man, but its not genetic for a man to love a child.

whats the difference?

if all your looking at is genetic code, then how is it not possible? if your going to argue that a lifestyle choice for one person is genetic then how can you argue that its not for the next person?
 
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