I'll be flat out. I make $20 an hour with no benefits. Hey, I needed the job. I get paid hourly, I like the company (T-shirt and jeans) and the work is comfortable. Not too many challenges but plenty of places to go in the company. So last night I had to put the pressure on them about the permanent hire. On the way out, we talked and at the end I was asked what my first offer is: "Twenty Two" "Oh.. well.. Don't sell yourself short" Ok, so I go home and tonight on my way out They give me the offer. She walks into the boardroom with a big smile on her face and she says "I really think you're going to like what we worked out.." I opened the folder and looked - astonished. $26...... Thousand a year. "When I said twenty two.. I meant hourly. I can't even live on this so when I say no, I'm not surpressing my laughter - I seriously can't live on that. I make that doing my side work as an autobody tech." Without skipping a beat "Well, if you work here permanently you'll need to drop that job" The extras: 100% health coverage. lots of vacation time (2 weeks a year), profit sharing that could be over $1000 easily and I can work in either CT or NC for the same pay. So yeah, 18 years experience, project management, server side NT admin and Lotus Notes admin. Desktop support. $12.50 an hour.