Celerity
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Porsche has an SUV, too.
Yes, and Ferry is doing 800 rpm in his grave.
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Yes, and Ferry is doing 800 rpm in his grave.
i could care less about suvs or their gas consumption rates, or their horrible drivers. i just want them out of my way so i can take a corner at or above the posted limit, instead of braking to 20 below it cuz my turck suks and i don't know how to drive and i might flip over non driving asshat suv soccer bitch driver.
Black Widow g2
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i drove my 4runner like it was my integra. it never rolled over... it just was less fun. and for the record, stupid drivers come in all kinds of cars. even ///Ms.
humblegumbo
1595cc's of Mad Fury
Not entirely true. An important lesson I've recently learned is that my 7-month son is a complete chick magnet and veritable ladies man.
Not to brag or anything....but he is the most handsome kid I've ever seen.
Now, the ability to construct complete sentences w/ multisyllabic words doesn't change the fact that your advice here would be better applied to yourself.
Probably had a better power/weight ratio.
Are you sure you understand this concept?
a car doesnt get you laid. you get yourself laid. geebus.
Seany-izzle
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and puppies.
They've begun taxing the legal sales of Cannabis here. I am predicting that after the nation sees how much they can profit, they'll follow suit. So, they might smell bad, but they can be 'saving' the world by just buying reefer.
That's always been my solution to the US budget problem:
Legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana. A pack of Winston Greens(tm) will cost approximately street cost for the 20 joints. 2 bucks to the tobacco company (weed company now?), the rest is pure tax revenue. Imagine the hundreds of billions of dollars that would be injected into the treasury every year, that could be put towards:
Public Transportation - Busses and Trains are now free
Roads - road repair/improvement and no more tollroads
Education - No-cost education up through high school, possibly even the first 4 years of college
Health - Now you've got your free health care (physical and psychological) for every American. Sick? Walk into a doctor's office or hospital and get fixed up at no charge. Hooked on crack/alcohol/Winston Greens(tm)? Walk into a clinic and get your free shrink session.
That's just off the top of my head, all by legalizing (and taxing the hell out of) marijuana. That little plant could save and transform the country.
This from someone who's never even once smoked, done drugs, alcohol, or weed btw.
Seany-izzle
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Weed could be a great way for the govt to make money. Put a age limit on it, quantity limit, already have dui laws so thats set. Weed doesnt cost much to produce, def good profit margin i suspect.
you'd also save all the taxpayers money on policing/enforcing/jailing pot smokers
Yet you would be polluting the atmosphere further and contributing to the current health crisis in America. Deaths by incidence of DUI would also increase, along with the associated cost of enforcing these dangerous motorists. Remember DUI is the single deadliest problem on the roads today, statistically speaking.
Couple in the fact that marijuana generally makes people lethargic and we've just added to the health crisis and the already broken and beaten health care system.
We've just enabled a country filled with already generally lazy people, who lack the drive and determination of other countries, to further wallow in its self pity and continue down a downward spiral.
Our education system is in shambles compared to international students. Lets be honest, the Asian child's work ethic is generally much different than the American child's regardless of whether the Asian child is foreign born or living here in the United States. You don't see so many burned out Asians out there as you do in other walks of American life. With the resources we have available, Americans should be leading the world in education and producing the best students, yet somehow we take for granted the institutions we have and just let our potential wither away. Its easier to sit on the computer or sit on the couch and watch TV all day, cramming down junk food, rather than cramming down literature and furthering your education.
Also, if you have the tobacco industry grow marijuana, you're giving money to an industry that has proven time and time again, that it does not have the people's best interest in mind. That would be as catastrophic as handling the oil industry a new stranglehold on an in demand product.
Many people fail to see the negative repercussions and only see the positive.
An age limit and a quantity limit would be a start to controlling the problem, although as we see with cigarettes and alcohol, if we enable anyone to buy the substances, they'll still get into the hands of younger people who are impressionable and don't know any better.
Also Darkhand....LOL. The revenue generated from legalizing marijuana would no where near fill those billion dollar deficits that you're speaking of in your post.
Everyone talks about social security and how its going to run out in 30-40years when the sad fact is long term health care in American is forty times more under funded than social security. Thats not even looking at the health system as a whole.
Couple in the fact that marijuana generally makes people lethargic and we've just added to the health crisis and the already broken and beaten health care system.
We've just enabled a country filled with already generally lazy people, who lack the drive and determination of other countries, to further wallow in its self pity and continue down a downward spiral.
Our education system is in shambles compared to international students. Lets be honest, the Asian child's work ethic is generally much different than the American child's regardless of whether the Asian child is foreign born or living here in the United States. You don't see so many burned out Asians out there as you do in other walks of American life. With the resources we have available, Americans should be leading the world in education and producing the best students, yet somehow we take for granted the institutions we have and just let our potential wither away. Its easier to sit on the computer or sit on the couch and watch TV all day, cramming down junk food, rather than cramming down literature and furthering your education.
Also, if you have the tobacco industry grow marijuana, you're giving money to an industry that has proven time and time again, that it does not have the people's best interest in mind. That would be as catastrophic as handling the oil industry a new stranglehold on an in demand product.
Many people fail to see the negative repercussions and only see the positive.
An age limit and a quantity limit would be a start to controlling the problem, although as we see with cigarettes and alcohol, if we enable anyone to buy the substances, they'll still get into the hands of younger people who are impressionable and don't know any better.
Also Darkhand....LOL. The revenue generated from legalizing marijuana would no where near fill those billion dollar deficits that you're speaking of in your post.
Everyone talks about social security and how its going to run out in 30-40years when the sad fact is long term health care in American is forty times more under funded than social security. Thats not even looking at the health system as a whole.
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First of all, people smoking makes up a miniscule insignificant portion of total air pollution. Second, how many actual traffic accidents/deaths are caused by marijuana compared to alcohol? DUI's in total are the deadliest problem, but stoned drivers make up a minimal amount of these statistics. Personally, being stoned did not impair my ability to operate a vehicle in the slightest. I know this does't apply to everyone.
I highly doubt that people will all of a sudden begin to use marijuana just because it is legalized. If they weren't doing it before, they won't be doing it just because it's legal.
You can't legislate peoples work ethic. People who take advantage of America's socialist programs are a product of their environment. It's not the drugs that make them drop out of high school, go on welfare, and medicare/medicaid, it is the fact that these programs are so easily abused that makes people not see the need to work hard. Smoking pot is not why these worthless wastes of life are wasting their lives, it's the socialist ideologies that pervade our culture.
I fully agree that big tobacco should not even be allowed to involve themselves in this industry. It should be a network of small locally owned growers with a limit on annual production.
Once again, I don't think that legalizing it will make this problem worse than it already is. It's easier for High School kids to get weed than alcohol. To be honest, stoned teenagers cause a fraction of the problems that drunk teenagers cause.
I agree, It will never be enough to fully solve the funding deficits, but generating that much extra revenue, while at the same time cutting the funding necessary to enforce marijuana laws/funding for jails housing marijuana offenders WOULD make a significant impact on the availability of Federal funding. IMO the benefits outweigh the costs by a dramatic margin.
This is where I stop reading. It effects everyone's reaction times. No, Cliff, I know you're great and all but I'm sorry to say you're not superman.
Seany-izzle
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Thanks cliff, well put.
lol, its so bad for you dr's perscribe it!!!
lol, its so bad for you dr's perscribe it!!!
All good points from totalburnout, my defense is simply that you can throw money (from the tax revenue) at the problems that it causes.
Perhaps have Winston Weed Division purchase carbon credits to neutralize the burning of their product.
I've driven with a few moderately stoned people before, they're quite a bit better than even a slightly drunk driver. Not trying to defend DUI (under the influence of anything) at all, I agree 100% that no one should be driving under its influence for any reason whatsoever, but while I agree there would be an increase, I don't think the increase would be dramatic. DUI of marijuana would definitely need to be as severe as an alcohol charge, and a fast way of testing THC levels in the blood would need to be developed and available to law enforcement. All I'm saying is that alcohol is a very serious drug as well, if not moreso than THC, and yet society gets along relatively well with its effects on the road and in the general public.
That is indeed a good point... We would see lots of even more lethargic (and hungry) people about. I'm confident that the improved healthcare can offset this though.
Exactly the reason our current educational system needs to be completely thrown out the window and started from scratch. The overall educational budget needs to be increased by orders of magnitude, and a completely new oversight system put in place to actually get the money to schools instead of the political pockets where it all goes to now.
Federally regulating the tobacco industry (properly, not the near-joke levels that it's regulated at now) will help, but once again the improved healthcare and educational systems will go a long way towards keeping people informed and healthy.
Well lets do a quick off the top of the head calculation.
Let's arbitrarily put the cost of a pack of 20 Winston Greens at $55. $5 to Winston, $50 to tax. Currently, about 25% of the US admits to smoking, and nearly as many admit to marijuana use. Legalizing it would be such a dramatic event in the US that it would spike the percentages up even higher temporarily, lets say up to the number of smokers. With 300 million people in the US, and 25% of the population buying it at first (1 in 4 people buying weed? If it was legal, I personally don't think those numbers are far off), that's 75 million people buying a $50 pack, for a total of 3.75 billion dollars in pure tax revenue. For the first day of legalization. Of course not all of these people will be pack-a-day smokers, but this is all hypothetical... Lets suppose all those folks bought a pack a day for a year. That's what... 1.36 trillion dollars in a year, from a single source of revenue.
You just paid for the Iraq war, with money to spare, in one year from a single source of income.
Healthcare, Education, Transportation, everything becomes essentially free for the government to set up as they (we) see fit. All from freaking weed.
Perhaps have Winston Weed Division purchase carbon credits to neutralize the burning of their product.
I've driven with a few moderately stoned people before, they're quite a bit better than even a slightly drunk driver. Not trying to defend DUI (under the influence of anything) at all, I agree 100% that no one should be driving under its influence for any reason whatsoever, but while I agree there would be an increase, I don't think the increase would be dramatic. DUI of marijuana would definitely need to be as severe as an alcohol charge, and a fast way of testing THC levels in the blood would need to be developed and available to law enforcement. All I'm saying is that alcohol is a very serious drug as well, if not moreso than THC, and yet society gets along relatively well with its effects on the road and in the general public.
That is indeed a good point... We would see lots of even more lethargic (and hungry) people about. I'm confident that the improved healthcare can offset this though.
Exactly the reason our current educational system needs to be completely thrown out the window and started from scratch. The overall educational budget needs to be increased by orders of magnitude, and a completely new oversight system put in place to actually get the money to schools instead of the political pockets where it all goes to now.
Federally regulating the tobacco industry (properly, not the near-joke levels that it's regulated at now) will help, but once again the improved healthcare and educational systems will go a long way towards keeping people informed and healthy.
Well lets do a quick off the top of the head calculation.
Let's arbitrarily put the cost of a pack of 20 Winston Greens at $55. $5 to Winston, $50 to tax. Currently, about 25% of the US admits to smoking, and nearly as many admit to marijuana use. Legalizing it would be such a dramatic event in the US that it would spike the percentages up even higher temporarily, lets say up to the number of smokers. With 300 million people in the US, and 25% of the population buying it at first (1 in 4 people buying weed? If it was legal, I personally don't think those numbers are far off), that's 75 million people buying a $50 pack, for a total of 3.75 billion dollars in pure tax revenue. For the first day of legalization. Of course not all of these people will be pack-a-day smokers, but this is all hypothetical... Lets suppose all those folks bought a pack a day for a year. That's what... 1.36 trillion dollars in a year, from a single source of revenue.
You just paid for the Iraq war, with money to spare, in one year from a single source of income.
Healthcare, Education, Transportation, everything becomes essentially free for the government to set up as they (we) see fit. All from freaking weed.
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read or don't read, makes no difference to me. But there's no way you can prove to me that marijuana effects motor control like alcohol does. I still think that driving stoned should be a DUI, because like I said, most people can't handle it.
It's like this, I knew a guy who was drunk ALL the time, any time of the day he would blow over the limit, yet he drove perfectly fine, better than the majority of drivers out there. That's not to say he shoudn't be driving or that driving drunk doesn't affect other people differently (because it certainly does). The point I was trying to make was your logic that marijuana would make the DUI problem worse is highly debatable.
It's like this, I knew a guy who was drunk ALL the time, any time of the day he would blow over the limit, yet he drove perfectly fine, better than the majority of drivers out there. That's not to say he shoudn't be driving or that driving drunk doesn't affect other people differently (because it certainly does). The point I was trying to make was your logic that marijuana would make the DUI problem worse is highly debatable.
Seany-izzle
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didnt top gear to a test with a guy who drove a course sober, then again after a joint? I believe he scored the same, if not better in some categories. Shit when im high and driving in MORE aware of everything cuz i dont want to fuck up haha
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