Wow, just wow.
Do you consider thinking and applying logic before responding?
What did I say about the kinds of people who advocate training to failure and thrive in doing so? Genetic freaks and steriod users.
Do you want me to cite people who say that you should go to failure because thats their opinion? I can do that, there's hundreds even thousands of people that advocate this - many big body builders advocated this formula but there's also many huge body builders who didn't.
Those who do not advocate training to failure on a consistent basis are those who have done scientiffic research.
Arnold has said many a thing, even when he could be considered to have the best body building build ever, that scientiffic fact has proven false. These things are plenty abundant in his book and in his video pumping iron.
For the record, I can go get my personal trainer certificate right now. This just proves how little you're in tune with this topic. There's no standarized exam that is required to obtain a personal trainer certificate, infact if you do a google search you can be certified for anywhere from $50-$300+ online by taking a short quiz. So no, I don't need to talk to a personal trainer - i have more experience under my belt than 90% of the personal trainers out there, along with a far better anatomical, scientiffic, and nutritional understanding than those without a degree in nutrition or kineseology.
Training to failure is one of the biggest myths out there, along side with "spot reducing" as in doing exercises to reduce fat in a specific area and so on and so forth.
http://www.strengthcats.com/CSfinalrep.htm
"...athletes develop enormous levels of muscle mass without training to failure, at least not in the way that most bodybuilders would define it. This observation, coupled with the fact that many elite-level bodybuilders do not embrace this practice, warrants a second look at this concept. "
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-cns-overtraining.asp
"Well, by training to failure each time you train you are going set your nerve cells into a constant state of inhibition leading you to tax the CNS far to much through the increased out put of electrical impulses. This will lead to rapid overtraining. That leads to time off and bodily and mental states lacking motivation, appetite, etc. It also means that it is not always muscular failure which is occurring; more CNS failure, which means that your muscles are not being worked anyway so stimuli for growth is not being achieved every time you train."
"Couple muscular and neuro failure together and what do you get? Poor form and therefore poor training. Poor form leads to injuries and injuries lead to more time off.
So, in conclusion to all this, muscular failure, be it concentric, eccentric or isometric, is not necessary to provide a growth stimulus. What is necessary are good form, continuous training, the build up of fatigue products and good diet and resting patterns. Fibres need sufficient training for microtrauma to be incurred causing the release of regenerative hormones to be released in the cells which leaches into the surrounding area as well as intracellular calcium levels to rise to trigger both growth and destructive processes (destructive to remove such substrates as lactic acid) without over taxation of the nervous system.
I hope this demonstrates that the CNS is a vital part of your training and that by training to failure time and time again you will offset the positive effects of it with the negative effects. Once again I will iterate that I do believe that training to failure is a useful tool for growth stimuli, only not the only tool."
Do a google search on training to failure or overtraining.
These are just two articles that popped up. Yes there's scientiffic studies proving these statements and yes they could be found if sought out. I'm simply to lazy to look them up right now.
www.bodybuilding.com has olympic athletes, professional trainers that are revered in the field, professional athletes, bodybuilders, powerlifters, nutrition experts, etc., etc and also has many articles reinforcing my statements. Infact the routines developed on the website are low volume routines that are not advocated to train to failure, especially not on a regular basis.
What might work for your cardiovascular training and martial arts training that is important to have a high lactic acid threshhold and muscular endurance is not neccesarily true when applied to weight lifting. This is why most martial artists aren't "uber huge!" even though they constantly train to failure, its a different sort of training and its sports specific.
My final thought is just wow. You of all people, as a martial artist, have completely overlooked one of the MAJOR components of health and training; your Central Nervous System. You talk about 48hours of rest for muscles but don't understand the concept of neurons firing constantly and being overworked by such a heavy stimulus - they're unable to recover. You'll wind up tired, run down, and see diminishing gains. How do I know? Science and personal experience.
I won't explain myself further, but if you want to remove your foot further from your mouth it would be appreciated but given your track record you won't.
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I agree completely with New2thecarscene. I had this stupid mindset and I haven't made any progression for the past two years besides the fact I'm getting bigger and looking better.
I'm just not making serious progression. Since school started and I have been conciously eating the protein, lifting regularly, and not over lifting, I've made 10lbs on every single weight group. From bicep curls, to bench. Everything has gone up since I stopped overtraining. The best part is my shoulders are starting to fill out and my muscle bellies are expanding, now that I'm not going to max effort every single session.
I'd seriously look into just getting a nice olympic sized rack, and a nice set of dumbells. At home this is all I hvae, and I can hit atleast 30 workouts with it, and I rarely get bored with what I have.
I'm not sure what size of guy you are but if you're new to training you might want to look into the routines on
www.wannabebig.com. They have some very good routines, especially for beginners, that build a good base.
They're centered around the big three lifts and moreso whats also regarded as the big five; squat, deadlift, bench, military press, chin ups. I saw my best gains ever on those program and they were massive especially in strength numbers.
There's also a routine thats great thats called "The big five" thats advocated by many (specifically a professor of mine that has been training for 40+ years, is a health psychologist, sports specialist, nutrionalist, tai chi master, along with a sleu of other things) that you just do
5 sets of 5 repetitions of the big 5, 3 days a week. Absolutely awesome for building a good base.
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Here's another quote from Nasser, from the same article, "only put enough weight on the bar to hurt your pride but enough that you have to struggle for your dignity on the last rep."
"Struggle" on the last rep, not be unable to complete it. Read, interpret, understand.
Franco Columbo advocated not training to failure and low volume training. He's revered as one of the best bodybuilders ever, even at his short stature he had one of the widest backs ever recorded in the sport.
For everyone one person you cite that advocated training to failure another than does not advocate it can be cited and reinforced with modern scientiffic knowledge. Food for thought.
exactly.
