Hondata or Uberdata ?

[mdixonjam]

I am considering the best way to tune my LS/VTEC setup and I'm considering to use Hondata or Uberdata.

Which of these systems is easier to use and to program for a DIY programmer?

Which one can allow tuning without the dyno ?

Which one yields the better results (or performance)? -

Which one offers more extreme tuning or better fine-tuning?

Thanks

 

[brian11to1]

I would choose Hondata over Uberdata... I know Hondata you can tune with a Laptop computer I dont think you can do that with Uberdata.

Brian

 

[90 accord]

how much do you want to spend?

 

[posol]

understand that both hondata and uberdata are pieces of software that allow you to analyze data, make adjustments, and burn chips.

neither are nothing more.

Neither needs a dyno to tune-- but you do need other tools to tune, such as a wideband o2 meter, and preferrably an EGT sensor, and most importantyl, and long, straight road with no traffic so that you can do some street tuning, and a partner to either drive, or to sit in the passenger seat and hold the laptop/start the readings, etc.

that said, going to a dyno is much easier, and can produce slightly better results IMO.

I condone street tuning first to get your map pretty good so you aren't wasting a lot of time that costs money on the dyno. then, go to the dyno to finish up your map for the fine tune.


Ease of use goes to hondata IMO. The interface is a little cleaner than uberdata. but either is very easy to learn how to use. i picked it up in a couple hours at the dyno.

better results- niether. Again, they are analytical software. YOU or your tuner control the results, based on knowing how to read a/f, ignition timing, etc, and knowing what to change it to.

extreem tuning/fine tuning, they are pretty equal. again, it comes down to the user, not the software.

I think you are seeing these systems as a thing that reads and makes changes on the fly and tunes you. Unfortunately, thats not the case at all.


here's some reading you should do, that don't necessarily pertain to hondas- but general electronic fuel injection tuning.


http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/78118/
http://racingarticles.com/article_racing-62.html
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/papers/tunetip.html
http://www.sdsefi.com/techdynojet.htm
http://www.sdsefi.com/techtheo.htm
http://www.sdsefi.com/techegt.htm
http://www.sdsefi.com/techcomb.htm
http://www.sdsefi.com/tech400.htm
http://www.sdsefi.com/meltdown.htm
http://members.aol.com/dvandrews/ems.htm



books:
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/high-perf...-injection.html

and if you can, take this class that ben strader holds at various shops around the country...
http://www.efi101.com/efi101.html


if all of that doesn't make perfect sense to you, hire a tuner.

 

[MikeBergy]

I will be using TurboEdit for obd0
Look into crome as well
PGMFI.org has some crazy stuff that might suit your needs as well as a wealth of information.

 

[rgbintx]

Originally posted by MikeBergy@Apr 5 2005, 03:07 PM
I will be using TurboEdit for obd0
Look into crome as well
PGMFI.org has some crazy stuff that might suit your needs as well as a wealth of information.

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Exactly what I do with the 1 wire VTEC

 

[preludebuddy]

uberdata can be tuned with a laptop and has datalogging as well. I personally would choose in my case free uberdata rather than 200-1000 dollars for hondata. uberdata does have a few bugs and you have to follow a set order. hondata is probably much easier to use than uberdata.

 

[MikeBergy]

Originally posted by rgbintx+Apr 6 2005, 01:15 PM-->

MikeBergy

@Apr 5 2005, 03:07 PM
I will be using TurboEdit for obd0
Look into crome as well
PGMFI.org has some crazy stuff that might suit your needs as well as a wealth of information.

[post=483255]Quoted post[/post]​

Exactly what I do with the 1 wire VTEC

[post=483771]Quoted post[/post]​

If you use turboedit, DL the NG55 bin for whatever map sensor you will be using, whether stock, 3bar, or other(there was another option, but I don't remember). There is code in the NG55 bin that activates the vtec signal using the A/C clutch pin on the ecu. You run that wire to a relay that turns your vtec solenoid on/off. Register with PGMfi.org, and go search around, that is what I had to do to figure things out. With the NG55 bin, you can specify whether you are running a vtec or non vtec engine, and then you can run the two types of engines with 1 ecu, just changing the settings of the bin. Pretty useful if you plan on wanting vtec in the future, but only have non vtec right now, and don't want to spend another 200 on a different ecu.