Well I got these wheels on closeout for $375 (They are the Webs at the bottom.) with some kinda federal tires [wheel and tires new]. I bought these cause my winter tires on the stock rims were bald as HELL. So I figured I could buy these until I save for the Slips and some good tires in the mean time. Anyways, the story goes...I put them on my car and it feels like I have two people in the car with me. I thought they were heavy, but DAMN!