ahh i gotcha...
haha, read the first part and was like, hold on a sec... then you captured it quite well. lol.the old ones go pretty good to......... if you replace the entire suspension and braking system with modern bolt-on components (they make kits, we have a few scca cars with them)
Thanks man! I always tell people both this car and the GTR are fantastic in their own ways. The GTR really was an amazing all around performer. This car is miles ahead of it in terms of being a competent track car, especially stock-vs-stock.This car is so sweet. Good choice, the wrap makes the car. Way more interesting than the GTR. Its hard to believe how well they go around a track now compared to how they did 20 years ago.
I'll never forget the first f-body I saw flying around the track. I thought to myself, "where's all the body roll!?" yeah, well I caught up with the guy in the pits and it was far from stock. lolthe old ones go pretty good to......... if you replace the entire suspension and braking system with modern bolt-on components (they make kits, we have a few scca cars with them)
lol thought the same thinghaha, read the first part and was like, hold on a sec... then you captured it quite well. lol.
How? WHY?!?!The GTR really was an amazing all around performer. This car is miles ahead of it in terms of being a competent track car, especially stock-vs-stock.
If we're talking stock vs. stock..How? WHY?!?!
There's no way Nissan can be ok with this. Did they just forget about the GTR's racing roots? Were they trying to accommodate the rich kids and mid-life crisis dads and just product a shitty car? I'm scratching my head here.
I guess I wasn't clear on my true question. Why/how did Nissan not make a good track car that was ready out of the box? Seems like they just didn't expect people to use it for racing. Which is counter to its roots.If we're talking stock vs. stock..
- The GTR has shitty brakes. The rotors crack, pads fade, fluid boils..
- It needs a transmission cooler to keep the DCT cool if you plan on running more than 2-3 hot laps
- It needs brake cooling if you hope to keep the brakes working properly
- The fluids are stupid expensive ($50 oil change, $500-600+ for trans fluid if you DIY)
- The stock tires are pathetic. Swap those and it's an easy 2s per lap on most tracks
The GTR isn't a shitty car by any stretch of the imagination. It'd make a great daily driver, the build quality is great for the price point, can be made stupid fast for relatively low investment, and it is an incredibly reliable car. It tracks okay but is not even in the same ball park when compared to the ZL1 1LE on the track.
- I ran the stock pads to the end of their life on the Camaro with 0 fade, no cracked rotors (I changed fluid because I'm paranoid)
- It needs nothing to stay cool
- It comes with sticky 100 TW tires from factory
- The fluids are cheap ($75 oil change, $40 for diff, maybe $100 for MT but it never gets hot so no need to change it regularly)
- I can hot lap the car for a whole session and nothing changes - there is no need to short shift, keep my eye on gauges, etc.. I just drive
They knew their audience. How many car enthusiasts track their car more than 3-5 times per year? Not many. Fewer can afford a $65k+ car and still fewer will spend $65k+ on a car they know they're going to track. Most will go out and build a track car instead. They built a GT car that is capable of monstrous lap times while still appealing to the guy who wants to drive his car on the weekends without knocking his wife's spine out of alignment.. all at a price point that was untouchable at the time. I personally think they simply set out to accomplish a different goal than the original GTR.I guess I wasn't clear on my true question. Why/how did Nissan not make a good track car that was ready out of the box? Seems like they just didn't expect people to use it for racing. Which is counter to its roots.
It is incredibly powerful for finding speed. The best part is that all the tools I've used are free if you get a car with the Performance Data Recording system.Love the data logging
To each their own the good news is the wrap is keeping the paint nice and cleanI love this car, but I hate the wrap. Maybe I'm in the minority on this because I'm getting older. Just give me a nice paint color.
They take time to get used to and most people go off track at least once in doing so lol. There is a ton of run off and really only one place that you can get yourself in trouble.Nice! Some of those blind crests look terrifying. lol. At least you have a ton of runoff there.