I hate honda

[jamesA]

Originally posted by Slammed90Lude@Mar 31 2004, 01:46 AM
YAH, a family sedan with balls- I know my personal recipe for going fast is a 3000lb+ car with 260 hp

So you're forgetting about the WRX, STi (hell even the WRX wagon) EVO 8, Mazda6, and even the SRT4? The WRX, STi and EVO8 are all over 1 1/2 tons and they are faster than 80% of the cars out there now adays.

 

[Slammed90Lude]

yes yes yes i know- i'm not knocking heavy cars, so much as i'm knocking the soccer mom styling that the accord is known for- i don't care how fast it is, in my mind it has the coolness factor of the PT cruiser

 

[posol]

Originally posted by Cashizslick@Mar 30 2004, 10:32 PM
I am only continuing building my honda because i am too far in now to stop, but this is THE LAST honda i will ever own (yes, i like it, but im done with honda).

and we all will get there, if we haven't yet already.

a honda is an entry level car. as we get older, we make more money, and can afford better things than $3,000 used civics

i'm done.
i'm probably done with nissan too after im done with the 240.
i'm looking at getting an S4 in the fall for a daily/winter awd fun car with some class and turbos
and from there, who knows

 

[Dustin_m]

Originally posted by cycloneb18c3@Mar 30 2004, 11:02 PM
my brothers si with just intake and exhaust beat a 99 civic si that had I/H/E skunk 2 stage 1 cams, skunk 2 cam gears, aem rail and regulator. car and a half.

I say

I beat a new Si that had atleast and exhaust, and maybe a CAI, with my GF's stock (except for K&N filter) V6 Automatic Camaro. The Si had one guy driving and a younger kid in the passenger seat, and was manual. I was in the car with my gf, so comparitive weight but most likely less in his. Oh and yeah it was them that wanted to race so it wasn't me trying to be a dumbass. Oh and also won by two cars +.

What does that tell you??
Si=POS.

 

[DA69]

Originally posted by pissedoffsol+Mar 31 2004, 02:04 AM-->

Cashizslick

@Mar 30 2004, 10:32 PM
I am only continuing building my honda because i am too far in now to stop, but this is THE LAST honda i will ever own (yes, i like it, but im done with honda).

and we all will get there, if we haven't yet already.

a honda is an entry level car. as we get older, we make more money, and can afford better things than $3,000 used civics

i'm done.
i'm probably done with nissan too after im done with the 240.
i'm looking at getting an S4 in the fall for a daily/winter awd fun car with some class and turbos
and from there, who knows

i agrre with brian. i would like to own a nissan in the near future. i have an xterra and a nissan truck. but i want like a 240 or SER. the SER is pretty damn impressive. i test drove one and man that thing has torque. i spun 1st,2ndand a little 3rd. they really made a good product there. but, i stilll have love for my teg. just thinkin what it would be like to have something else.

 

[posol]

dude, the new ser's are junk. those things have more tranny problems than a chick trying to sew on a dick.

 

[DA69]

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Mar 31 2004, 08:51 AM
dude, the new ser's are junk. those things have more tranny problems than a chick trying to sew on a dick.

wow no shit..... well i guess they fucked up by putting that good of a motor in.

 

[Cashizslick]

Originally posted by E_SolSi+Mar 30 2004, 11:42 PM-->

Originally posted by Cashizslick@Mar 30 2004, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by bigdaddyIII@Mar 30 2004, 11:19 PM
cycloneb18c3

@Mar 30 2004, 11:02 PM
my brothers si with just intake and exhaust beat a 99 civic si that had I/H/E skunk 2 stage 1 cams, skunk 2 cam gears, aem rail and regulator.  car and a half.

ummmm.... <_<

2 options for that story

1 - its
2 - the guy in the 99 Si cant drive worth shit


(possible 3rd choice - the 99 Si was only running on 3 cyl)

Possible fourth choice - AUTOMATIC 99si running on 3 cylanders with the owners girlfriend driving.

 

[Cashizslick]

Originally posted by DA69+Mar 31 2004, 09:00 AM-->

pissedoffsol

@Mar 31 2004, 08:51 AM
dude, the new ser's are junk. those things have more tranny problems than a chick trying to sew on a dick.

wow no shit..... well i guess they fucked up by putting that good of a motor in.

Actually, dyno graphs from www.sportcompactcarwe.com show spikes of 15hp at redline to make the advertized power. . . .

 

[civic_types]

I hate people that compare bottom end civic's with top end wrx's !!

New Si is like20k

New Sti is like 40k

Even the Svt is like 3-4k more than the new Si, if you want the same car spend the same money. Upgrade an Si to the sti's par, Svt's par, ect.......... and you'll probably spank the competetion.

I do admit, the warranty that you pay for is pretty much out the door, but......

 

[Cashizslick]

Originally posted by civic_types@Mar 31 2004, 10:26 AM
I hate people that compare bottom end civic's with top end wrx's !!

New Si is like20k

New Sti is like 40k

Even the Svt is like 3-4k more than the new Si, if you want the same car spend the same money. Upgrade an Si to the sti's par, Svt's par, ect.......... and you'll probably spank the competetion.

I do admit, the warranty that you pay for is pretty much out the door, but......

Yes, but, the new SI still sux - it should be a 2dr coupe

 

[reckedracing]

CLIFF NOTES: hondas rule
need to keep their reputaton
too much shit to break on turbo and AWD cars = ruined reputation


alright, first, anyone talking about dropping honda for a wrx or evo is out of their fucking mind...

hondas are known for their dependability and longevity, so thats why i choose to build them, you start off with a great car and it just gets better

you cannot keep your "clean" name and reputation going into AWD, there is just too much shit to break, and the same goes for a turbo AWD, everyone would like honda to drop something like that on the market, but they're just looking for trouble, and its more valueable for honda to keep its creditability as a dependable car than it is to capture that spector of the tuner market, a whole lot more people out there buying cars for their reputation as reliable and run forever, much bigger market segment...


and although i don't agree with the new body styling of the si's or pretty much any newer car, i guess thats the way the industry has foreseen things going... look at how many cars out now look almost exactly the same... i would never get an si because too many retards confuse them with the focus...

 

[posol]

Originally posted by reckedracing@Mar 31 2004, 11:16 AM
CLIFF NOTES: hondas rule
need to keep their reputaton

CLIFFNOTES: honda's rep is dead.

it died with old man Honda. the son took over in 99 or 2000, and has since produced these crap cars.
why? because honda = Honda Motor Company. and thats EXACLTY where they are headed- building bad ass motors for other company's chassis. their focus has been on the motor forever- but now, they are starting to put forth their ideas.

why do you think the k-series finally spins "right" like every other motor in the world? for compaitbility with every other car in the wolrld. look over seas- the minis, the coopers, and those rovers are all honda powered now for the most part. and thats what honda wants.
they don't give a fuck about the rsx or the civic si. they just wanted a test chassis for their new bad ass motor.

honda's dependibility as dropped 3 fold. if you don't work at a dealership, you don't see the shit i see/hear from bill who does. the 01+ civics have more problems than 88 civics do 15 years later

too much shit to break on turbo and AWD cars = ruined reputation

if you'vre going by mitsubihi, take your ehad out yoru ass. DSM's are worse than fords.

I challenge you to compare a d16z6 tranny's strenght with that of an audi S4.

and don't give me it's not japanesse crap. its awd. and its near flawless in design and rigidity.

alright, first, anyone talking about dropping honda for a wrx or evo is out of their fucking mind...

no, they just aren't 17 anymore

hondas are known for their dependability and longevity, so thats why i choose to build them, you start off with a great car and it just gets better

change are to were
and great to mediocre, and i'll agree with you

you cannot keep your "clean" name and reputation going into AWD, there is just too much shit to break, and the same goes for a turbo AWD,

the name is gone... has been.
the rep is gone.... has been.

wtf does AWD have to do with either?

shit breaks thats built like crap. and hell, i went through 2 full d16 tranny's in under 130k.

ok im bored,. whatever tot his thread

 

[Trinity]

i won't read this all but i know people say that tuners aren't the main people that buy honda's and shit like that but look how many itr's were sold when they came out and how many people still want one. you think if they didn't come back with someone like that it wouldn't sell like hotcakes? i gurantee it would.

 

[reckedracing]

ITR was limited production, of course it sold like hot cakes...
and the first top of the line integra with a jdm motor that comes here, and you wonder why it sold like crazy, that and its a sweet car, everyone wants (or should want) one, or two, lol


so exactly how hard did you beat the D tranny's during that 130K
D's are grocery getters for grandma, not porsches to be whipped around the track... they don't hold up to the shifts and launches, and don't tell me you never beat it...

and AWD has everything to do with it... same reason people will get a 2wd truck instead of 4wd, more moving components, more shit to break... simple as that...
plus worse gas mileage, but hella good launches...

honda = econo car, that a bunch of crackheads like us decided to make into race cars.

i'm not 17 and i would never buy an POS evo, or subaru over a honda...
and i'd never buy a new car to begin with anyway
who wants a payment? payments could be mods...
its not what you can BUY, but what you can build...

take that to the bank pussies

 

[Loco Honkey]

Originally posted by reckedracing@Mar 31 2004, 11:16 AM

too much shit to break on turbo and AWD cars = ruined reputation

Dumb statement of the day. Mitsubishi isn't the only company that makes an AWD turbo car. WRXs are bulletproof if you don't drive like a dumbass. My AllTrac? 190K miles and going as strong as your mama's BO.

 

[Loco Honkey]

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Mar 31 2004, 11:30 AM
I challenge you to compare a d16z6 tranny's strenght with that of an audi S4.

Or the 16 year old AllTrac design... There's a few guys in Japan with 800+ HP going through the driveline, with just a clutch swap.

 

[Celerity]

Originally posted by reckedracing@Mar 31 2004, 12:25 PM
ITR was limited production, of course it sold like hot cakes...
and the first top of the line integra with a jdm motor that comes here, and you wonder why it sold like crazy, that and its a sweet car, everyone wants (or should want) one, or two, lol


so exactly how hard did you beat the D tranny's during that 130K
D's are grocery getters for grandma, not porsches to be whipped around the track... they don't hold up to the shifts and launches, and don't tell me you never beat it...

and AWD has everything to do with it... same reason people will get a 2wd truck instead of 4wd, more moving components, more shit to break... simple as that...
plus worse gas mileage, but hella good launches...

honda = econo car, that a bunch of crackheads like us decided to make into race cars.

i'm not 17 and i would never buy an POS evo, or subaru over a honda...
and i'd never buy a new car to begin with anyway
who wants a payment? payments could be mods...
its not what you can BUY, but what you can build...

take that to the bank pussies

I agree with this. Honda's are decently built cars (For a lightweight little econobox, there are no rattles or crappy fittings). But they only get power from swaps. It's quite the opposite from RX7s, which are incredible motors jammed into total piece of shit cars. The fittings are bad, the electrical fails, and the dash boards are shitty recycled plastic and are easily broken.

As far as Mitsubishi being the Ford of Japan, lets get serious in our comparisons.

The US has a car company that has the least recalls. GM. Not saying that GM doesn't build some recall-worthy cars, but they are a lot like Toyota. Toyota built the 5MGE which should have been recalled every year it was in production. But, likewise both companies had their "Iron Dukes", and they each consider every car buying market throughout their history. The S10 truck made a huge impact on the world as the Toyota Truck did. The Supra and the Corvette are very much on par. There are just as many old Chevys on the road as there are Toyotas.

Mitsubishis are like Mopars. They break and break and the more you try to fix them the worse they get. Each has their specific good points, but overall none of them are 100% cars. I wouldn't turn down an Eclipse for a good price, (Well, a 1992 Laser AWD) nor would I turn down a Superbee. But I'm not really looking in the classifieds for either one of them. My step mother's DSM has 50,000 miles (it's a 91) with an automatic - And the car runs, but the auto constantly needs work, and the car has never ran 100% since it was new. 2 recalls later, same thing. 3000GTs are so complex and delicate that if you hit a speed bump the car begins it's downward spiral. Some cars give you the feeling that they were made on Monday, some give you the feeling that they were made on Friday afternoons on Hawaiian shirt day.

Ford and Nissan. Lemme tell you alittle something about these fucking people. Ford, as a company, should be shot into the sun. Their cars are the lowest rated emissions, and most recalled cars in world history. Yet they sell like hotcakes. Explorers must be the shittiest SUVs, even in initial appearance, yet they sell so many that it's a complete mystery. Ugly, shoddily constructed with numbers on paper that are consistently lower than any other manufacture in the world.
Except Nissan. Nissan has the lowest mileage rated cars in the mass-production world. Their cars squeek by Emissions regulations and Nissan makes minimal effort to change that. In 2000 they made US import emissions regulations by moving the de-tuned Sentra to California sales only. That put them barely over the edge for selling in the US. The highest mileage rating from their US lineup was the Maxima rated at 25 mpg. Of all the cars you see broken down alongside the road, I see Nissans and Fords. How many pre-95 Nissans and Fords do you see on the road ?

I've owned a Ford Escort, with 70k miles and the rear strut shot up through the tower and took out the window. There was no rust. I've owned a 1982 Datsun 200SX that needed a complete brake job every 9 months and the NAPS-Z motor couldn't be tuned right even once. I've owned a 1987 200SX that repeated the same problems. My 1991 NX2000 broke tranny mounts, 5th gear pop-out and the radiator was under-designed. Not to mention the power options that continuously failed.

Every one of these companies have made their failures, and every one has made their triumphs. And honestly, since 1990 the failures have greatly outnumbered the successes.


Cliffs Notes: I've compared the top three of companies in the US and Japan only. I know there are other marques out there, but it would take all day and a designated webhost to discuss them all.

-> Steve

 

[reckedracing]

i don't understand how that gets the dumb statement of the day award when you have so many posts on here
lol

and its just math man, more moving parts = more chances for shit to break...
simple as that

and we're talking about driving a car like its meant to be driven, not like a granny with her friend OLDASFUCK sitting next to her and death waiting for her in the back seat...

EDIT: and my mama's BO is nothing compared to someone's ATOMIC ASS blowing the windows and doors out of planes...

that was the funniest post ever by the way... re: the airport restroom/dump post

 

[NotUrAverage_Si]

I don't get it...

(the atomic ass thing)