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  1. SSL0207

    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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  2. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Ah religion. Gotta love it.
     
  3. Smarnash

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    Big deal. Let them do what they want to each other, and sooner or later, natural selection will take place and they will wipe themselves off the face of the planet completely.

    These people are third world savages, and our only concern should be keeping them out of our country.
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    Problem is, that nature WON'T take care of them. They have been around for literally 1000s of years... completely unchanged.

    Read my article on why women love Muslims at the bottom of this
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    http://hondaswap.com/members-lounge/why-do-muslims-hate-us-50745/



    OH yeah, I was wrong. Muslims hate us for more than status. I was so foolish back then.

    All into my "Muslims love their children" shit. They are a bunch of savage animals - their minds don't function like a normal human's and they are no where near a "religion of peace".
     
  6. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Islam is nowhere near peaceful, but neither is Christianity so we can see where the constant in this equation lies. Heck, Christians did all the live burnings and exterminated cultures because their God deemed it so.

    Didn't some lady kill her kids because she "was possessed by satan"? Now if that aint some crazy savage ass religious bullshit, I don't know what is.

    Of course you also like to confuse Muslims with... what's the new term you guys like to use... islamofacists... radical islamics... terrorists... I can't keep up with the con spin machine. Back to the point, there are your crazy muslims and your normal ones. Just like your crazy christians and... well... hmmm... uhh... errr... well... Shit, there goes that argument.
     
  7. Celerity

    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    Dammit son, you were closer to the reality back then.

    Muslims don't hate us because we're Christian, Jewish, Hindu or even worship Marduk

    They hate us because we don't worship Allah.
     
  8. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Speaking of reality... where did I say that they hated us because of our religion?

    Spin... spin... spin... Is that rhetoric signed by Rove AND Rummy?
     
  9. SSL0207

    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    difference between muslims beheadings and the catholic/spanish inquisition:

    1. muslim's holy book tells them to do it..
    2. christians universally look back on the inquisition as a horrible thing...

    not to say christians haven't messed up... but comparing muslims in general to christians in general shows a whole different level of agressiveness...
     
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  10. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Add to that the Crusades... all four attempts. Toss in the Salem Witch Trials for flavor and throw in a tad of that systematic destruction of countless cultures and artifacts and you've got your definition of "whole different level of agressiveness".

    Where Islam wants to wipe an entire people off the map, Christianity has done this on several occasions.

    I guess genocide is cool as long as you worship the right God.
     
  11. SSL0207

    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    ... the crusades were not religion based attacks (learned that in 10th grade history class)... they were power hungry nations looking for an excuse... using christianity as a front was a 'good' political move (*hey look - politicians still use religion for power and publicity*)

    the salem witch trials were not about christianity... read "The Crucible" or any commentary on it... it was about jealousy, and once again... power and land (on a smaller scale)...

    systematic destruction of culure? do you mean immigration... or mebe... bigger nation beats smaller nation and takes it's stuff? the exploration and settlement of the america's had little to do with religion... it was about gold, merchantilism and finding new markets... it had nothing to do with indians who worshipped sun gods vs. white men who worshipped one god...

    I guess genocide is cool as long as you worship the right God..
    i don't even know where you are pulling this one from... how many verses in the New Testement call for genocide? uhm...0... "love your neighbor as yourself"... sound familiar? thats christianity...

    muslims in general (i say in general because i don't want to draw absoulutes on muslims)... hate thier neighbor unless he prays on his mat facing Mecca at the right time of day... thats why we keep hearing about the mal-treatment of women, the bombings, the beheadings...

    yes, christians have done evil things too - its the nature of man...
    but one thing is for sure - i'd feel much safer in america next door to a christian than in arabia surrounded by people whose holy book tells them to persecute and hate me...
     
  12. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    The Crusades were fought to reclaim the holy land from the Muslims (jeez... they've been fighting for quite some time). What made it instantly attractive to the "power hungry" was the Pope decreed since the Muslims were heathens in the eyes of God, it was not a sin to steal from them.

    Using religion as BOTH the reason to claim land as well as the driving force for your armies to claim said land. Religion had a LOT to do with it, most people just fought to get gold and jewels (which that area had no lack of).

    Still religion is a front for this. Unless you know other people who would burn a person alive for making "an unlawful covenant with the Devil".

    Every single time someone says that, I bring this up:

    The Mayan culture, once a great and prosperous culture who were, for the time, extremely advanced are now gone. Only six written texts from this entire civilization exist. Why? Because in order for the priests to convert these "savages" to Christianity, their books (READ: HISTORY) were destroyed. This happened to many cultures. Their entire way of life was eradicated because the Pope (and we love this guy?!) said that God instructed the people to cleanse these "savages" and convert them to Christianity.

    Once again, yes... gold, land, goodies. People were after that. The Church was after a bit more.

    Riddle me this: Why is it that Christians love to use the New Testament as a way around the rather "unsightly" things in the Bible. Flip a few pages back. To that part called the Old Testament. Read a few pages in there.

    Didn't God kill the first born of the Egyptian people? Something about slavery and splitting a body of water in two...

    And Christians in general (ditto on the generalization) love their neighbor UNLESS they believe in a different religion. Hell, I think the "God Warrior" from whatever reality show kinda shows that. In the Christian mind, you are damned to Hell for all eternity unless you believe what they believe. There's no "Oh, that's cool... you're doing the Hindu thing" or whatever... it's "YER GOIN TO HAEIL!!!".

    If you blame the "nature of man" on Christianity's errors, then you have to do the same with Islam's errors. If a person from that part of the world were brought up an athiest or agnostic, they'd bear no ill will towards someone because of what the Koran says. This is all religion, nothing more.
     
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    Extremist or even Fundamental Muslims out number extremist Christians by thousands to one. Libs love to fall back on that hellfire-an-brimstone type of evangelism as their counter argument, but you can really count these types of people in the 100,000 area. Radical Muslims that give birth to children not to prosper, but to die and reproduce only through rape numbers in the fucking Millions. Not just in the Middle East either, but in Europe, Asia, and Africa.

    Libs like to point their fingers at the snake handlers of a small corner of Arizona, or the fundamentalist no-excuses churchs of the deep south, ignoring that Cons refer to the blight and violence plaguing Darfur, East Timor, South east Asia, Northernmost Europe and of course the entire Middle East. You're out numbered there, bucky.
     
  14. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    But who, throughout time, has caused more damage and death? You do realize that more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason, correct?

    The Church has less power than it did back then, but ho-lee-SHIT when they were on top, they had an iron fist. The Pope was at one time the most corrupt person on the planet. Having the ability to say "God decrees (fill in the blank)" is as powerful as you can possibly get.

    The argument here isn't the number of extremists on whichever side, it's who we tend to turn a blind eye to.
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    "But who, throughout time, has caused more damage and death?"


    Muslims.
     
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    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    I can't believe the complete generalizations going one here. How many of you actually take the time to get to know a Muslim? How many of you have read and understood a good translation of the Qu'ran? (Hint: if it doesn't have the original Arabic right next to the translation it isn't a good one) The Qu'ran does not tell Muslims to kills because of religous beliefs, only when taken out of context can you actually justify random killing any more than the Bible, the Talmud, or the Torah.

    So not true, the "Muslim" terrorist is a realitively recent player. Read the Old Testament, the Jews destroyed much, much more because God told them to. Look at the History of the Papacy: authorizing the Inquisition, funding and calling for the Crusades.

    None of this excuses the random killing, but you need only look to European/American ideas and intercession in regional Political affairs to find the reason that these "Muslims" hate "us". The US is directly responible for Saddam, the Taliban, al-Qaida, General Musharaff, and it is indirectly responisble for the Religious government in Iran.
     
  17. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Guess again.
     
  18. TrailerParkPimpsDad

    TrailerParkPimpsDad Happy?

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    I hate religion. This thread was an interesting read though.

    Thank God for athiesm. haha :huh:
     
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    SSL0207 Mhmm....

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    How the heck do you blame the US for saddams crazy government, torture, and SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION of the Kurds... or the Taliban and its terrorist threats AGAINST america... or al-Qaida which has Bombed American Embassies...? w/e

    i'm not sure what you mean by a "good" translation... or how you can be sure that one's translation isn't good enough because it doeasn't have oringinal arabic on one side of the paper... but yes, just like the bible (specifically the OT)... verses pulled at random can be taken out of context to mean thigns they were never intened to mean... but heres the main difference between (generalization warning) between muslims and christians...

    1. christians believe that non-believers are going to go to hell. but the percentage of them that scream it in your face is in extrememly small... christians try to be relatively (as in, relative to muslims) tolerant and to "love thy neighbor"...

    2. most muslims don't love thier neighbor (unless he is muslim), in fact its illegal in most muslim countries to own other religios works not supporting the muslim faith... many muslims persecute all those that don't believe... and instead of warning of impending hell if one is not "born again" by the time they die... they made life hell for thousands of people who meant them no harm (september 11th, etc)...

    i'm not saying that all muslims are socially evil or that all christians are holy. there not. there are rotten christians who do not live by thier faith. but as a whole the christian world is much more receptive and safer for people of other faiths (and better for society in general) than is the muslim culture...
     
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    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    Saddam was in power because the US put him there to fight Iran. The Taliban was in power because the US put them there to fight Communism. Al-Qaida was trained, funded, and supported by the US to fight communism as well.

    How can you even start to say that the average Muslim doesn't love his neighbor unless theyare also a Muslim??? Do you know any? Do they hate you because you are not a Muslim?

    The "Christian" world only got relatively "safe" within the last 50 years or so, it may not have been dangerous to ones health to not be christian, but they had other ways of harming the non-believer.

    In Iran you are not harmed or judged by the state becuase you are not Muslim, the only difference is you have to pay an extra tax that goes to the poor because charitable donations are required of a Muslim.

    How can you judge Muslims as a whole for the actions of the vocal and crazy Minority, there are approximately 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, how can you pass judgement on all of them?

    As for Muslim culture, there isn't one. You are confusin Arab culture with Muslim, something that many "good" Arab Muslims do. Islam crosses cultures, ethnicites, and socio-economic boudaries and Muslims (according to the Qu'ran) are supposed to respect all regardless of any of those boundaries.

    And on "good" translations, ask your local Mosque, they will have a prefered. I have read the translation by Abullah Yusef Ali, I choose it because his commentary concentrates on the sematics and the meanings rather then the theological discussions.
     
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