ok, i got my car back from the shop today.new starter new alternator and my frame freshly dented "again" for alt clearence.and i threw on a shorter alt belt from a gsr. ok my problem is still around though. I used to think that grinding noise was from the alt not having enough clearence and it sounded like it was grinding.the same sound as a bad starter.but with all those items brand fucking new it has done it about 3 or 4 times tonight allready, ive only had my car back for maybe 8 hours.so i was trying to think about what the problem could be.so anyways enough rambling. there has been a few times were i was stoned and tried to turn the car over on my old civic whal it was allready on. and it made that awful grinding noise,the same noise im now experiencing whal trying to start my car. i have the 91 civic si with the b16a thats been my hottopic of problems lately.any help guys .its pretty damn annoying whal people think my car is friggin great and i go to leave and a. it wont start right away. b.it grinds and is also pretty damn emberrasing "sp"