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LSD on ICE...

Discussion in 'Racing and Driving Techniques' started by Sergey P.A., Dec 10, 2003.

  1. Sergey P.A.

    Sergey P.A. Senior Member

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    Ok I was jest wondring, about the two differentials open and limited slip,

    ok so the open one will send the power to the tire which has less torque,

    and the limited slip will send equall amount of power to bouth of them,

    so how will an LSD behave on ICE

    is that still fun,

    or not....
     
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    dohch22a4 Senior Member

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    I don't know about fun... I hate the winter time and all weather associated with it. Why? Is it freezing in the 253? Goddamnit, I wanted to drive hard when I got home. :angry:

    Anyhow, it will be much more controlled. The limited slip will keep you going in the direction you aim. The open differential has a tendency to throw the car to whatever side its tranction is being applied.

    Oh, and for the record, you probably shouldn't take crystal meth while you are high on acid. It just wouldn't be safe. ;)
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    :withstupid:

    I didn't have any problems with my LSD in the Civic when I was driving on ice and snow with Bridgestone S-03s on. Just be careful and the LSD will help you go where you need to go.
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    :werd: :bo:


    btw... Calesta, how much would an LSD cost for a Civic (Si)?
     
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    Tonyd0821 Banned

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    this thread's title was VERY misleading..... :angry: :angry: :angry:
     
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    phunky.buddha Admin with a big stick Admin VIP

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    Dunno... anywhere from $300 on up to whatever you want to spend, depending on what you want to get.
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    Ah. There's an LSD out for the Escort GT 1.8 transmission... it's $1140 some. :eek:


    How much did you spend on yours?
     
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    pissedoffsol RETIRED

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    lol you druggie....


    Anyhoo... the quaiffe is the best for the buck IMO. its like 850, but has a lifetime warranty as well
     
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    dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout

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    A rear LSD, AWD and a turbo are VERY fun on ice.

    :D
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    :angry:

    Come take me for a ride sometime since I can't afford a WRX as my priorities have changed. :)
     
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    whats the difference between a factory LSD and this adapter kit. also how hard would it be to install one.


    phantom grip
     
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    dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout

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    A Phantom Grip is an overpriced piece of poo. :)

    And revolution8k, come out here for a visit, and you'll get all the ride-alongs and driving time you can shake a (losing) Mustang/Cavalier at. :D
     
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    What brand LSD do you have in your civic? Was that for a SOHC or DOHC tranny though? I want one for my Si and I'm keeping her SOHC.
     
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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    SWEEET!

    where are you at anyway??
     
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    dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout

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    jamesA Well known pissed off telephone guy VIP

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    :eek: :doh:

    I'll be closer to CO in about a month and a half when I move to Texas. :D
     
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    asmallsol Super Moderator

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    It was in his old CRVTEC, which if I remember right, had a JDM ITR tranny. So then it just has the stock heilical LSD.

    Stock LSD's are a nice entry LSD. They do burn out when you push large amounts of power through them though. The Quieff (quaiffe) is a very nice LSD for someone that wants something reliable. It is not the best LSD for 2 reasons. One, since it is a gear LSD, it produces more transmission lost then lets say a clutch style. Second, the quaiffe is more of a reactive LSD then a Proactive LSD. The quaiffe mainly only works when it detects slipage. Then it cuts power to that wheel and directs it to the other wheel, which in some cases can cause slippage with the other wheel. The Kaaz LSD on the other hand, the kaaz is a proactive because it prevents the slippage before it can occur. The problem is, The kaaz is a clutch style and just like your clutch, it can burn out over time. Also, It is not warreented, and I have seen many granade and totally destroy their transmission.
     
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    3 main types of LSD are:

    Helical
    Viscous
    Clutch

    if you get a factory LSD on a hydro B series tranny it will be helical

    helical LSD's (quaife, peloquin, OEM Honda as stated above) are very nice because as long as both wheels are on the ground and have the tiniest bit of torque going to them both tires will be receiving power from the engine
    if one of your front wheels gets off the ground then you are in the same boat as a guy with an open diff because they actually a torque biasing diff rather than a limited slip

    Clutch diff's (Kaaz) are great if all you want to do are mad JDM burnouts or drag racing but will make your car more difficult to turn. the reason being is that when the clutch plates "lock" it forces both of your front wheels to turn at the same speed, which is fine on a straight away but when you are going around a corner the outside tire wants to go faster and the clutch diff will try to stop it making the car harder to turn (this won't happen with a helical lsd, therefore helicals are much better for road racing/auto-x)

    viscous LSD's just blow (IMO) some 240's came with this type of lsd and it will work and be better than an open diff but I wouldn't pay any money for one of these. the way they work though is that there is a "fluid" in the diff that when it heats up due to the friction of the drive shafts turning at different speeds, becomes very thick (almost solid) and transfers some torque to the slower turning wheel

    EDIT: what do you mean by "is that still fun?"
     
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    1500 for a new quaife center diff. for the GSX
    sad i only have a center..i thought GSX had a front/rear one as well
     
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    OEM LSD. SOHC or DOHC tranny? I guess I'm lucky, since both my SOHC and DOHC both have LSDs in them. The SOHC is a clutch LSD, and the DOHC is a helical LSD. asmallsol, the transmission in the Civic is actually a JDM SiR2 transmission- the gearing is essentially the same as the USDM ITR, but it's JDM. Got it?

    :lol:

    Martine, if you want an LSD for your car, you can go aftermarket, or you can find the elusive JDM hydraulic S20 SOHC transmission for your car, or you can get something aftermarket like the Quaife.. which will also make your transmission pretty much bulletproof.
     
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