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McCain backs away from the best statment his campaign has made yet

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by Capt. Orygun, Jul 10, 2008.

  1. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    What's odd is that I've been finding all of these people to speak their mind, then backpedal. Whos fault is it ?

    If Barack just came out and said he "will put whitey in a handbasket, allah be praised" and McCain said "We're going to war, with someone else or with each other, whatever" at least we...


    Yeah, upon introspect, that was stupid. Keep lying guys, we don't wanna know what's on your mind.



    Vote from the Rooftops, I always say.
     
  3. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    "My taxes are too high!"

    "My SUV costs too much to fill!"

    "My McMansion is worth less than a food stamp!"

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Yup. Whiners.
     
  4. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    problem is if we elect Obama neither Taxes nor Fuel costs will get any better

    McCain
    Pro Off Coast Drilling
    Pro Solar
    Pro Wind
    Pro Nuclear
    Pro Ethanol

    Obama
    Pro Ethanol
    Pro Solar
    Pro Wind

    Given the laws of supply and demand as they concern energy, which plan would you think generates more supply? Which plan would have a more negative effect on food prices?

    Nuclear power=more American family wage jobs. It takes some of the burden off Ethanol which lowers food prices. Expanded drilling, for a period, will lower energy costs which will help stimulate the economy as we continue to develop solar and wind. It would be nice if we could make the change to solar/wind tomorrow, but be aren't there yet and we have to survive in the mean time.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    I wouldn't call Mickey's stance "pro-nuclear" seeing that he put an offer on the table he KNOWS he cannot make happen (45 new reactors by 2030). That's just pandering and slinging bullshit.

    PolitiFact | This 007 claim is out of ammo

    There's the rest.
     
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    Obama want's to give us free health care at a cost 10 times greater then the War. What was that about promises you can't keep?

    If McCain could get half that number of reactors we'd bennefit. The Trojan plant in Portland is shut down, if we wanted it could be back up in 5 years. The only reason it would take any longer is red tape
     
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    Was that a sidestep? Why change the subject?
     
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    same subject that you started by talking about promises, my point was it made him no worse then Obama ergo it's a poor argument for one over the other.

    my base argument remains. We will generate more supply with McCain's Plan then Obama's will less impact to food costs. That's something the middle class needs.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    I'm still trying to figure out how you came up with a thirty trillion dollar healthcare pricetag. Also, I'm wondering how Obama has been anti alternative energy... including our friend Nuclear.

    Everything I have heard from the McCain side concerning energy have been pure pandering attempts... 45 nuke reactors, 300 million for a better battery, gas tax holiday. I don't want pander... I want answers, and most importantly I want reality. Mickey offers none.

    Also, how does nuclear power ease the burden of ethanol?
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Over 100 reactors produce 20% of our total energy currently. 45 reactors would up that by 8%. Eight percent in twelve years *IF* you could build them that fast. You might get two, perhaps even three reactors in that time, at which point our growth will have outstripped any new resources.

    McCain tried to give us the easy answer. Fact: There's no easy answer.
     
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    Healthcare costs for 2007 in America were 2.3 TRILLION

    NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

    Iraq was 133 Billion Dollars in 07

    Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation: Total Iraq and Afghanistan Supplemental War Funding To Date

    there is 1,000 Billion in 1 Trillion, even if by some form of magic government health care cost us fifty cents on the dollar compared to what we're paying now (not gonna happen) you're still looking at 8-10 times the cost

    so far as Nuclear power goes

    UPDATE 1-Obama criticizes McCain's nuclear power plan | Markets | US | Reuters

    Obama opposes it because of waste, and sense it MUST go somewhere, nowhere will be good enough for him.
     
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    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Does this "supplemental" funding include ALL costs, as the healthcare numbers do? Lost units, medical costs, rebuilding, etc. etc. so on and so forth. I think not. Just because we threw another 100 billion at it doesn't mean that's all it costs. C'mon now... tighten up.

    So what exactly would the difference be between paying a tax in that amount versus paying an insurance firm and hospital? You're making it look like the money we pay now is just gonna POOF and go away. It would simply get moved elsewhere.

    And I don't blame him. Where exactly will the waste go? Do we deep six it in the ocean with that pile of nuke waste, or is it Yucca mountain?

    Ever thought what would happen should a *GASP* terrorist blow up one of these waste transport vehicles?

    Wow, now how did I draw a red card from my blue deck?!
     
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    1. No it does not, but the total cost still wouldn't encompass anywhere near 2.3 Trillion, not even close

    2. The difference is I make decent money, but I also eat right and take care of myself. I don't pay the average of $7,600/yr in health care because I handle my business. With universal healthcare my taxes go up, my bennefits don't. Other people aren't entitled to more of my money to enrich their life, because I WORKED FOR IT
     
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    From energy to healthcare to the war... are we gonna bounce more?
     
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    If it cost that much, we'd have all slayed this administration.

    So people aren't entitled to your money to enrich their life. Fair enough. Can I stop paying for things that enrich others' lives? Can I really make taxes a'la carte? Please?
     
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    1. So then you agree that I'm correct?

    2. I'm assuming you're just being argumentative at this point since I'm by and large disarmed you. Let me throw this at you.

    Most of us use roads, those roads need to be kept up. It would be unfair to tax everybody for the upkeep of roads because not everybody drives. So we tax fuel instead, the more you drive the road you where down the roads, and the more you pay in taxes for road upkeep. It's fair.

    Government Healthcare, as it's purposed by democrats, is not fair. It taxes people based on income rather then use of the system. It's is an unbalanced way to tax & cover the need. What's worse, data shows that those with no money for health care consistently make poor dietary choices. I'm not talking about the person who can't afford groceries, I'm talking about the lower income people who still manage to hit up the super value meal on the way home, we all know them. Ever see an upper class person order 6 double cheese and a diet soda from the drive through in their Ferrari? No you do not.

    In the coming years there will be an epidemic in health care costs. Heart Disease, Type 2 Diabetes, and aging baby boomers will swap the system and cost is expected to outpace growth in GNP for the next 20 years.

    There will not be enough taxable income to cover this. It isn't a rosy picture to think of all these people without health care, but we cannot bankrupt our children trying to help all of them. Some have them have done it to themselves and some of them are just old. Just because there's a medical procedure out there doesn't mean it should be given away . Just like because they make Ferraris doesn't mean i should be handed one the next time my car breaks down. Life doesn't work that way and trying to force a Utopian. world built on the foundation of a real world is like trying to build a palace over a foundation of gravel.
     
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    Come on guys. This should be on CF and not HS. And furthermore the blindness and full pledged support for one facilitating group(reds and blues) isn't something I enjoy.
     
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    About what, specifically? You've made a lot of inaccurate assumptions. Gotta be specific.

    If by disarmed, you mean "jumping between issues till you find one you can stand on", then well you've done at least that much. Energy policy, healthcare, war, bounce... bounce... bounce.

    COME ON WILL YA?

    So I don't pay for road repairs any other way than by fuel taxes? None whatsoever? ^_^^_^^_^

    Can I stop paying education taxes because some schools teach religion instead of science? This is not fair. I'm taxed based on income here as well. People make poor educational choices (school boards make questionable decisions). Why am I to pay for this? Statistics show that people with no money make poor educational choices, too.

    Ah, speaking of the boomers... can I opt out of Social Security? I mean, it's probably not gonna be here when I am grey... can I stop enriching someone else's life?

    But we can bankrupt them on war?
     
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