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More documented support for rolling up our sleeves and headin to Iraq

Discussion in 'Members' Lounge' started by Capt. Orygun, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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  2. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    And we'll just ignore you till you shut the fuck up.
     
  3. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    your tendency to ignore documented facts are not unknown to me. But this is not an attempt at starting another debate, I will just continue to present undeniable evidence until the middle of the road people on this site see you for the narrow minded liberals you are...

    did you read it?
     
  4. reckedracing

    reckedracing TTIWWOP VIP

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    i don't remember anyone saying saddam wasn't a cruel and evil dictator

    nor do i remember bush and company saying we were going to iraq to oust an evil dictator...
     
  5. Seany-izzle

    Seany-izzle New Member

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  6. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    And your tendency to accept ANYTHING that doesn't fall within EXACTLY what you believe and want the rest of the fuckin' word to believe is blatantly obvious.

    Answer one question... ANY CONSERVATIVE ANSWER THIS ONE QUESTION:

    Where is Osama Bin Laden and why have we not caught him?

    I don't want the man who tried to kill your savior's daddy... I want the man that killed over 3000 of our friends and family!

    All this "undeniable proof" and no Osama. Why is that?
     
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    Seany-izzle New Member

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    hey, give Bush some credit... he somehow found a link between 9/11, osama, and sadaam. I mean, isnt 9/11 why we are going to iraq? oh wait....
     
  8. Celerity

    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives have given up their rights to free speech. You can't post anything without getting attacked on a personal level. They have also admitted that they hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil.

    In this thread alone you have seen the liberals say "Where's Osama ? Where is our justice ?" yet one sentence later (or before) flat out tell you that they haven't read your link, nor plan on reading your link because they are "sure it's a bush conspiracy"

    So, Idiots, fools, completely insane, however you want to phrase it - there it is. They will never listen to you, and you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of converting them to any other thoughts.

    And quite frankly, they are so ignorant and stupid (And violent) that I don't want them on the Republican ticket.

    That said, my "job" is not that of trying to convert in the other threads, i've limited myself to just defending what I know to be true, and to attempt to dispell some lies and misunderstandings, with a right-wing slant.

    I can't convert, nor should I - they can think what they want.

    I just want the following points to be clear:

    Iraq and Afghanistan (And Syria, Iran, Libya, Jordan) ARE ALL CONNECTED. Our invasion of Iraq was in response to battling these groups.
    It was not about Oil.
    Clinton and Carter are at the core of why we are having issues with the Muslim world.
    There are WMDs, we haven't found any caches of them, but every other sign is there (No one has found any cache of US WMDs either, but no one denies that we have them)
    The Media completely botches every story they report on by making shit up, not understanding enough to explain it, or just stupidly slanting issues.
     
  9. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    All that schpeel and you failed to answer my question.

    My point is made.

    Funny how you blame the Left for every single thing that has happened today... remind me:

    Who put Saddam in power?

    What is this "Iran-Contra" thing?

    Who is shaking hands with Saddam in this picture:

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    Why didn't you ever try to disprove my information about Bandar Bin Sultan (Bandar Bush) and his links to funding the people who actually flew the planes into our buildings?

    Ya know... the guy in this pic:

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    And this pic:

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    Why... if his money was used to pay for visas and flight training for those guys, is he not in jail?

    Where are those mobile biolabs that were hyped up from "undeniable" evidence from ONE defector?

    Why did our government specifically say there was no link between Iraq and 9/11? Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)

    Why did Bush use the famed "yellowcake" document in his state of the union speech EVEN AFTER his advisors said not to?


    C'mon... I'm waiting.
     
  10. Celerity

    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    Iran Contra was an effort to destroy or depose the Ayatollah Khomeini, a guy that was far worse than the guys we play with today. Iraq and Iran have always been enemies, and when we worked with Iraq (And Afghanistan, if you remember) we were working to stop a Russian alliance in the Middle East with Iran. And that's Don Rumsfeld.

    ONE defector can sink a thousand ships - that's always been the case. it remains the case today. Outspoken defector Salmon Rushdie is a strong example of this.

    Russia supported the wrong guys, and they know this now (Muslim immigrants came to Russia during it's break-up and have taken over many aspects of western Russia). Sorry. We still supported the better of two evils.

    Saddam is NOT a great guy, and not even when he was our "ally". (Which he never was) but he was the line in the sand to stop Iranian expansion with the aid of Russia.

    Now, do YOU know what the Iran Contra affair is ? (I don't even mind if you google this now and claim to know it.. as long as you know it)

    As far as Bandar, And the rest of the Saudi Arabian consortium, yes they bred the people that flew planes into buildings. They even bred and bourne Osama himself. It is a pit of muslim hatred to the US - And we have found some Saudi government links to anti-US attacks . Even more so, there are WAY more Saudi attacks against the UK (Being an American, you don't really understand the whole thing behind Diana and Dodi Al-Fayed's deaths, and why people were shaken to their knees, do you.)

    As far as the article that dispenses of Iraq / Taliban or Alquaida linking, there are Millions of these articles. And there are millions of article that state the opposite. I have cited actual CIA and declassified (All we have to work with) documentation in the past, all sourced from .gov documents and real hard-core news outlets .

    What is important is that we review these articles in dates and what those dates mean to us. We learned more since this article was written in other articles - and even those articles have been corrected by more recent developments !

    Use Logic when interpreting these things.

    And dammit, son stop attacking me.
     
  11. Sabz5150

    Sabz5150 FALCON PUNCH!!!

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    Then why is solid info on the ICA still incredibly hard to find?

    His information turned out to be false. The "biolabs" in question were nothing more than food treatment vehicles. This has been proven.

    And this is all Clinton's fault... how?

    I know what the ICA is all about.

    The whole bloodline thing is not what I am aiming at. Bandar is DIRECTLY linked to money used to pay for the flight training of the people who pulled off 9/11!

    Our own review group stated this. Doesn't get more hard-core than that.

    More articles have surfaced proving your points, as have those that prove mine.


    I see no attack in my previous post.

    However I know what your point is there ;)
     
  12. lsvtec

    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    Here we go with Celerity spouting complete crap about the Middle East when he is [bold]completely[/bold] clueless about the entire area, both politically and socially.

    As for a troop increase, show me how this setup is any different than Vietnam? Stupid, poorly planned invasion followed by "unforeseen" internal fighting (dare we say civil war???) followed by requests for more troops. More troops, and more military force will not solve a political/diplomatic problem. If we continue forcing the square peg into the round hole we are going to be in Iraq for a very, very long time.

    The sooner that Fox stops claiming a connection between Al-Qaida and Iraq the better. Saddam had no interest in dealing with Al-Qaida because he knew that they would oppose him as he never was anywhere close to a "Muslim" (read Wahabi) government. In fact, the [bold]only[/bold] common belief between Al-Qaida and Saddam was a general dislike of Shi'a Muslims, though for different reasons.
     
  13. Capt. Orygun

    Capt. Orygun Win the Day

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    the problem with the opposition to Bush's request for more troops is that the Dems loved to criticize the president for not having enough troops in Iwak right up to the point where he put the option on the table. Now magically it's "too late" to do it lol

    It's just like everything else Bush has put on the table since he was re-elected in 2006. It was been put down by liberals simply because it was Bush's idea and if he succeeds in anything it makes the left look bad.

    Finally, blaming Fox News or Bush for the misinformation on the link between Saddam and Bin Laden is laughable at best. I was receiving Intel briefs during the Clinton administration about the believed link. But somehow you lefties want America to think that was all Bush's doing, reality check, it wasn't...

    PS: your in PDX? I didn't know that
     
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    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    Points 1 and 2, I agree, I thought that the Dems that wanted more troops were foolish then as I think anyone that thinks a larger military force there will change anything now is foolish.

    On point 3, I half agree. The Clinton administration never put a stop to it, however, the conservative media won't let the (non)issue die. So I should have been more precise and said conservative media rather than Fox.

    PS. Yeah, moved here a little more than a year ago when I started working for IBM.
     
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    Celerity Well-Known Member

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    dirka dirka jihad dirka jihad allahallahallah
     
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    lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist

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    I am glad that we agree here.
     
  17. 801CRX

    801CRX Got Rice?

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    LMAO.................I like

     
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